On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:11:01AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> * Using a different "Closes:" name, which just sidetracks the issue
>if every derivative have to use a different name, this does not
>scale. (Example: Maemo uses "Fixes:" instead of "Closes:" [1],
>and there's a proposal
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 08:45:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman writes ("Re: Fundamental flaw in bug reporting system"):
> > We want users who don't know how to write a good bug report to become users
> > who do, not get discouraged and not contribute a
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:16:52PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Adam McKenna writes ("Re: Fundamental flaw in bug reporting system"):
> > Frustrating the user could lead to an even poorer quality bug report than
> > would have been given in the first place.
>
> It works because it acts as a filter
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 10:17:25PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 11:03:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > Debian has a much more direct and special relationship to Ubuntu than Linus
> > or RMS; I'm sure you can recognize that.
>
> Though I no
On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 10:04:51AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> That's because "contributor" has different connotations to "originator",
> and many people did not like the associations between themselves and Ubuntu
> that "contributor" conjured up.
Exactly my point; there are differences of opin
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:14:03PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> The Ubuntu site says that ubuntu means "I am what I am because of who we
> all are". If Ubuntu is ready to live up that slogan and publicly
> acknowledge that it is what it is *because* of its Debian origins,
> rather than despite
Please do not feed the troll.
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On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 08:50:27AM -0700, Jim Bodkikns (Dakotacom) wrote:
> ALL of the servers chosen to be reinstalled with a debian distro have
> high performance raid controllers and fail installs due to UDEV issues. (I
> hate that redhat handles this - I"m not really a fan of redhat). I hav
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:31:44AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> All you'll get is the loud minority having a whinge then, no matter what the
> outcome.
It will certainly beat the hell out of continuing this thread.
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On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:13:31AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > > I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Deb
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:35:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> Arg, and to make matters worse, this discussion is CCed to a
> closed-moderated-list, Matt, this is really not a friendly way to have a
> conversation.
I didn't add the CC to ubuntu-motu, nor the one to debian-project. I've
merely par
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > In practice, it doesn't work out to mean the same thing, however. Most of
> > the packages in universe are maintained only by the Debian main
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, "Maintainer"
> means "An individual or group of people primarily responsible for the
> on-going well being of a package". As I understand it, in Ubuntu, the MOTUs
> hav
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:36:18AM +0100, Sven Mueller wrote:
> (dropping debian-devel, this is really not a technical issue)
>
> Matt Zimmerman wrote on 17/01/2006 20:44:
> > 1. Most of the source packages in Ubuntu are inherited from Debian
> >unchanged (example: te
On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 02:15:15PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:03:05 -0800, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >Do you realize that Xandros, who maintains a Debian derivative which they
> >box and sell for US$50-$129 per copy, lea
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:28:17PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> >> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I don't think you can speak to what tools we do or do not have. The fact
> > is, we import most Debian source packages unmodified, and do n
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 05:29:40PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs
> > don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are re
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:58:40PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > If that were true, you wouldn't be having this conversation with me. It is
> > costing me an unreasonable amount of time to deal with this trivia
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:05:35PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > That simply isn't true, and taken at face value, it's insulting, because you
> > attribute malicious intent.
>
> Um, I have said nothing ab
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 06:19:32PM -0600, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:44:48AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > It is important, in particular, to account for the fact that Ubuntu is not
> > the only Debian derivative, and that proposals like yours would amoun
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:09:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Notice that what you say, in response to what has been asked over and
> over, is "my opinion is that changing the Maintainer field on
> otherwise-unmodified source packages is too costly for derivatives in
> general."
>
> But y
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:34:33AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Matt Zimmerman:
>
> > It is important, in particular, to account for the fact that Ubuntu is not
> > the only Debian derivative, and that proposals like yours would amount to
> > Debian derivatives bein
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:36:51PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> Sounds like an excellent opportunity to hold a poll about:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/12/msg00216.html
>
> Please send proposed ballot(-items) to me personally, and I'll set it up
> tomorrow or so.
Thank y
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 03:50:09PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > > Debian developers set the Maintainer field to themselves(or a team), when
> > > they
> > > upload to Debian. The upstream author is only ment
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 12:37:47PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It is important, in particular, to account for the fact that Ubuntu is not
> > the only Debian derivative, and that proposals like yours would amount t
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 03:07:25PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
> You're already rebuilding the package, which I expect entails possible
> Depends: line changes and other things which would pretty clearly
> 'normally' entail different Debian package revision numbers; changing
> the Maintainer field
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 12:37:15PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > In my opinion, it's much more practical and reasonable for there to be an
> > agreement on consistent treatment of all packages, than for each De
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 12:46:52PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Anthony Towns wrote:
>
> > > What I find very dissapointing is that mdz asked on debian-devel twice
> > > for a decision from debian how ubuntu should handle the maintainer Field
> > > without any luck:
> > > http:/
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:01:42PM +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:25:40AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> [snip]
> > There will always be differing personal preferences, but in spite of these,
> > there are times when an organization needs to take an of
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:58:28AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> > What I find very dissapointing is that mdz asked on debian-devel twice
> > for a decision from debian how ubuntu should handle the maintainer Field
> > without any luck:
>
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:45:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:07:40AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> > There have been no responses which would indicate what we should do.
>
> Actually, there've been lots, some of them are just contradictory.
There was a lot of dis
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 02:43:51AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> [Obviously, if someone knows of such a resource, feel free to modify
> the "why debian" factoid, or perhaps create a "why not debian" factoid
> on the bot that points to a website or something that goes into this
> topic in depth.]
I
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:22:57PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Being in a position of judging the facts without preconceptions, I can
> point to plenty more that aren't.
The fact that not _everything_ has been submitted yet still doesn't support
your (exaggerated) argument. That figure will
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:15:00PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > Fortunately, that is not the case with Canonical.
>
> Yes it is. Fork and forget is Canonical's modus operandi (despite all
> the PR clai
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:35:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:32PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote:
> > Or is the whole Ubuntu thing (where I understand Mark Shuttleworth has hired
> > a large number of the senior Debian developers) considered to be the
> > solut
EOT. *plonk*
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:03:42AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:38:31AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >>On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> >>To the contrary, it is equalitarians that treat people inhumanely;
&
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:14:48AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> >>Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less
> >&
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation
> than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not
> think to lift a fellow man over a rain puddle, but would instantly offer
> such assis
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:03:36PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:44:24AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrot
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> >Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
> >>>2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women.
> Hi, I represent the Gentoo project, and we are very interested in
> participating in the vendor-sec mailing list [...]
Based on how this sort of thing has happened in the past, the correct way to
go about this is to send a message to vendor-sec itself, rather than to (for
example) Debian. The m
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 05:08:30PM -0800, Jenia Naverniouk wrote:
> I am a new linux user and I'm wondering how long it takes for
> new programs such as kde 3.2 or gimp 1.3 to be downloadable
> using the apt-get install command.
It depends. When in doubt, ask the maintainer.
(gimp1.3 is already
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 03:52:43PM -0500, Dave Seff wrote:
> Is this site down? I am timing out while trying to apt-get the CVS
> pachage.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2004/msg5.html
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 05:10:10PM +0200, Vyacheslav Mukha wrote:
> This exploit work on my Debian woody 3.r1 and get root .
> May be that script is instrument .
Congratulations on not subscribing to debian-security-announce.
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:31:23PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote:
> BTW, there's no need to Cc: me; I'm subscribed.
Mail-Followup-To: "Brian M. Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
debian-project@lists.debian.org
(on both your messages)
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:08:08PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote:
> Due to googling, and information from an anonymous source, I have
> reason to believe that I am listed in the variable @gFuckheads. Needless
> to say, I would like to be removed from that array if my name is present
> there. It is
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:32:16PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:23:37PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > This change was quite recent (since 14 August 2003), if we are to accept
> > as true the assertion in the first comment on the article at:
>
> I find myself wonder
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:17:29AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 03:53:39PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:07:42PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:07:03AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:07:42PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:07:03AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > A great deal of work has been done in this area. See
> > http://bugs.debian.org/203741 for information. It would be great if you
> >
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:56:06AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:15:37PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > Can you elaborate on the reasons why you feel that Debian is not
> > suitable for the recipients of these recommendations?
>
> I
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:53:20AM +1000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [...]
> In addition, it bugs me that we can't recommend Debian
> officially at RUS-CERT. Relying on Debian introduces many
> risks. Some of them are inherent to the project, some can be
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 09:53:52AM -0500, Harlan Blackstone wrote:
> HOw can I obtain the CDs for Debian and run Unix from the book Just enough
> Unix?
You can find information about obtaining Debian CDs here:
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
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On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 10:22:37PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> I suggest that two more types of security advisories are being issued by
> Debian Security team:
Are you volunteering?
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:59:11AM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was planning to download Debian 3.0 but I donot have enough
> bandwidth to download all the CDs. The FAQs and the manual list the
> contents of the CD 1-5 but not for CD 6 and 7. As per my requirements I
> need an X based
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 09:16:42AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Thanks for this :) It's inspiring to see that Debian started out as it
> goes on. It is worrying ,however, that it was intended to ease the burden
> for those without 'Net access. (As someone downloading nearly 3MB of
> packag
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:15:25PM -0700, Farideh Sherbaf wrote:
> Dear Linux Developer and Distributor,
>
> Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Farideh Sherbaf and I am
> your contact for EPSON Worldwide Developer Relations for scanners and
> All-In-One (Multifunction) products.
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:58:28AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>First, I propound you to make the detailed classification of packages,
> like in the International Patent Classification (IPC) or US Patent
> Classification (you can browse it at http://www.uspto.gov).
There is work in progre
On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 12:07:33PM +0100, Rob Adamson wrote:
> Well, that is the aim. IMHO the version of Samba distributed with woody
> is buggy to the point of being unsuitable for professional use.
> [...]
> woody does not work "out of the box" as a Samba server, and never will.
This is indeed
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 01:24:18AM +0200, Benoit Peccatte wrote:
> After such an answer I thing Felix will never come back and try free
> software. Not that your answer was not correct, it was. But he complains
> about things not working automatically and the only answer we can give him
> is "take
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:54:07AM +0200, Felix Steiner wrote:
> 3. Debian: Took the whole lot of installation-steps but didn't arrive at an
> end. However -- it crashed at the end.
The thing to do when you have a problem is to file a bug report.
debian-project is not the place for bug reports, e
On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 08:53:31AM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
wrote:
> A big part of the spam can be trivially blocked at the point where it enters
> the Debian servers, using DNSRBLs and other sensible restrictions. When it
> enters my mailer, it can not be trivially blocked a
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:50:43PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> What's wrong with our mail system? Why can't the debian admins blacklist
> a well known spammer, or even better use a reputable DNSBL like SBL?
> I asked the same questions to the debian admins but nobody ever replied,
> I'm sick of r
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 04:31:46PM +0800, Andrew Buckeridge wrote:
> Build times would understate performance of RISC which runs compiled C
> applications much faster than interpreters or compilers, however these
> would still be worthwhile.
In what relevant way is gcc different from other compil
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:06:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> -A *DRAFT* joint recommendation of the the Technical Committee, the
> -Project Leader and the Bug Tracking System Administrators.
> +A *DRAFT* joint recommendation of the the Technical Committee, and the
> +Project Leader.
As lo
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 06:29:18PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:16:31PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > If you can, refer the other Developer to some documentation saying
> > when they should and should not do something, do so.
> Is this a correct english sentence now? I g
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 12:48:13AM -0500, Kathleen Rolen wrote:
> LA Express, Milton Smith does not deliver Debian CD's after receiving payment.
> It would be nice if you de-link their site.
> Ray Rolen
I don't see any "LA Express" or "Milton Smith" on the CD vendor list. Does
anyone know what t
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:49:57PM +0200, Henrik Morsing wrote:
> I've heard about a Debian/BSD OS. Is it possible to buy this on a CD set??
http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/
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On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 10:45:34AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:09:36PM +1000, Glenn McGrath ?crivait:
> > I wish i had found Junichi's guide on creating library packages before i
> > created one. How about including some of, or at least mentioning his
> > guide, its
On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 05:26:11PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> * Writing useful descriptions (already done)
I haven't seen this document yet, but if it doesn't already include a
section about spell checking, it should. Mention particularly the -g option
of ispell which makes checking descrip
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 06:13:51AM +, JORDAN POWERS wrote:
> > Hi.
> > My name is Lance,
> > i would like to keep this simple for both of us.
> > I would like to have an email address with your site.
> > for example [EMAIL PROTECTE
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debian-project@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installing .deb packages on RedHat Linux
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 06:33:56PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 0
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:22:00PM -0500, Alex Leytes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> while browsing your website, I came across this:
>
> "A program to unpack a Debian package onto a Linux host that is been built
> from a `foreign' distribution is available, and will generally work, in the
> sense that fil
(please follow-up to debian-user@lists.debian.org)
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:32:37PM -0800, David W. Walker wrote:
> Can you provide information about Multimedia support distributed with
> Debian
>
> Can you comment on what multimedia features are built into the kernel,
> provided multimedia dr
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:18:53PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:04:33PM +0100, Theo Houtman wrote:
> > [whining about the lack of Linux 2.4.x in stable]
> [...]
> special to do that (but certain things like modutils and
> ipchains/netfilter may need updating, check the li
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:32:02AM -0600, Robert Dansereau wrote:
> Sorry if this is being sent to the wrong address, but hopefully someone can
> help me out.
>
> I was wondering how I'd go about getting a few packages added to the Debian
> distribution set. There are a few involving mail that
On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 11:34:10PM +0100, James Troup wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > There are also architectures for which there is no debian-*-changes
> > list (such as s390). I think the idea has merit, and the buildd's
> > should
On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 09:11:34PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> There are even more debian-*-changes lists that have no traffic. The
> description says that they should serve notices about uploaded
> packages for the unstable $(arch) distribution, mostly from buildd's.
> Do no-messages imply th
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:23:29PM -0400, Mauro Romano Trajber wrote:
> i have some questions about woody.
> *woody will be ready for use("stable") in 2001?
Probably yes, but there is no committed release date, and no guarantee.
> *kernel 2.4.x
Yes, it will definitely be included, but the
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