Re: [draft] need your help on the AI-DFSG general resolution prepration

2025-04-13 Thread Christian Kastner
Hi Mo, On 2025-04-13 06:57, M. Zhou wrote: > On Sun, 2025-02-02 at 00:56 -0500, M. Zhou wrote: >> >> https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/gr-ai-dfsg > > I overhauled the draft, and have split lots of rationales and background > information to separate files as appendix. The current status looks like >

Re: A Different Take on AI

2025-02-20 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2025-02-10 19:12, Christian Kastner wrote: > My concern, however, are bad actors. > > I often thought that simplest way to "prove" that a free model trained > on private data cannot really be free is to train one that purposefully > introduces an undocumented bias such

Re: A Different Take on AI

2025-02-10 Thread Christian Kastner
Hi all, On 2025-02-05 15:45, Sam Hartman wrote: > First, thanks for all your work on AI and free software. > When I started my own AI explorations, I found your ML policy > inspirational in how I thought about AI and free software. Same here -- thanks, Mo! > I have come to believe that: > > 1)

Re: [draft] need your help on the AI-DFSG general resolution prepration

2025-02-10 Thread Christian Kastner
Hi Mo, your effort in driving this is much appreciated. There's a second thread going on ("A different Take on AI") where many have chimed into the deeper specific issues, so I'll include my specific replies there, and here will only reply to formalities: On 2025-02-02 06:56, M. Zhou wrote: > (2

Re: How do you manage debian mails on your mailbox?

2022-08-28 Thread Christian Kastner
Hi, On 2022-08-28 07:37, Nilesh Patra wrote: > - - Do you use your primary email address for debian stuff as well, > or is it a different one? I mainly use two different addresses: one for personal communication, and one for development stuff. My @debian.org address goes towards the latter. (In

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-23 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2022-03-23 21:27, Philip Hands wrote: > I note that nobody in this discussion so far has tried to argue that > we'll somehow be poorer for being less exposed to his writings It's not fair to dismiss his frequent KDE and TeX reports like hat. > but only that some procedure might not have been

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2020-08-13 21:03, Adam Borowski wrote: > I don't think someone could possibly be prosecuted for using a fake passport > to obtain a gpg signature. In many (if not most) jurisdictions, using a fake government ID for any transaction whatsoever is a crime. It's not tied to monetary or any other ga

Re: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-06 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2020-08-06 17:54, Enrico Zini wrote: > What do you think could be alternative key signing policies, that would > be acceptable to you, that would not require traveling and meeting face > to face? As food for thought, there was a longish thread "Why are in-person meetings required for the debian

Re: [Summary] Discourse for Debian

2020-04-16 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2020-04-15 13:45, Neil McGovern wrote: > If there is sufficient pushback, I'll delete the instance, move on with > my life, and conclude that no one in Debian can possibly try and > innovate or do new things unless it is either: > * 100% optional for people, or > * made completely compatable wit

Re: Testing Discourse for Debian - Moderation concepts

2020-04-14 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2020-04-13 23:33, Andy Smith wrote: > Not to speak for Neil, but it's generally argued that private > entities cannot censor, because a nation/state can tell you that you > cannot express an opinion using your own resources. By contrast a > private entity like Debian can only tell you that you c

Re: Lenovo X395 Support Latest Debian Version

2020-02-11 Thread Christian Kastner
On 11.02.20 20:45, Mark Pearson wrote: > We checked it out here. My colleague installed Debian 10.3 and found he had > to also install the 19.50 proprietary amdgpu driver - after that everything > seems to work fine: > > Debian instructions for the AMD GPU are here: > https://wiki.debian.org/AM

Re: Lenovo X395 Support Latest Debian Version

2020-02-08 Thread Christian Kastner
On 07.02.20 16:22, Brett Lougher wrote: > It has a AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 3700U (4C / 8T, 2.3 / 4.0GHz, 2MB L2 / 4MB L3) > CPU and saw some linux distributions did not work for AMD. I would be surprised if AMD has anything to do with it, but FWIW, I have a very recent 3000 series CPU (newer than the 3700

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-17 Thread Christian Kastner
> particularly in the face of endless concerns about civility, and > blatant tone policing. What's blatant is how these two concepts are frequently being abused to shut down any criticism of uncivil behavior or otherwise inadequate conduct, especially by using such a loaded term as "policing". It

Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

2019-07-16 Thread Christian Kastner
On 15.07.19 13:02, Sam Hartman wrote: > First, it sounds like you'd have an interaction where reporters, > respondents and the DPL (or AH) might all be talking together. No, although I can see how one could read it like that. With "including all parties", I meant what you said further below: > T

Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

2019-07-14 Thread Christian Kastner
Hi Tina, On 11.07.19 21:59, Martina Ferrari wrote: > On 10/07/2019 06:45, Christian Kastner wrote: >> However, if there's one thing I've learned from reading -project and >> especially -private in the recent past, it's that where this line is >> drawn seems to

Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

2019-07-09 Thread Christian Kastner
Hi Russ, I'm deliberately commenting on just two very short fragments of your mails: On 10.07.19 05:45, Russ Allbery wrote: > Telling people they crossed a line and need to stop, and then if necessary > forcing them to stop by temporarily restricting their access to the place > where they're cros

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-08 Thread Christian Kastner
That's complying with the mandate to prioritize users. > The systemd rollout just broke too many things. I doubt that the systemd switch was even noticed by 95% of users and if, then I'd wager that it was a net positive effect. -- Christian Kastner

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-05 Thread Christian Kastner
s yellow or white? You can only answer those questions when you know whether you are discussing Clovers, Dandelions, or Daisies. Was it an official action? If yes, then (I believe) we should have rules and procedures for this. If it wasn't an official action, then we're back at Dandelion, people-as-individuals. -- Christian Kastner

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-05 Thread Christian Kastner
On 05.01.19 01:57, Eldon Koyle wrote > Whether that form of censorship is good or bad or rights-infringing > is a separate argument. Thank you, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm not even arguing whether this specific action was good or bad or rights-infringin

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-05 Thread Christian Kastner
On 04.01.19 23:44, Philip Hands wrote: > Christian Kastner writes: > >> We agree on this: Debian's is a (very!) limited form of government. >> However, I argue that censorship is within these limits. > > Debian doesn't even have enough legal existence to open

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-04 Thread Christian Kastner
On 04/01/2019 14.34, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:39:27PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: >> On 21/12/2018 01.27, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote: >>> We are not a Government. >> >> We don't have a _Sovereign_ Government, but a Government we mos

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-04 Thread Christian Kastner
itle is valid. > Please don't conflate [...] a blog being removed from project > resources with the killing of a journalist. Absolutely. -- Christian Kastner

Re: "Do you want to mount the drive, 'cancel' or 'allow'?"

2015-09-22 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-09-22 18:54, Marcin Wolcendorf wrote: > OK, technically, then: > - I run Debian testing, > - I tried to mount the SD card in Thunar, > - I got policykit prompts for passwords, which I think I should not get, > - The policykit manual says nothing about the configuration. But it has links >

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-15 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-15 11:55, Russell Stuart wrote: > On Fri, 2015-02-13 at 15:14 +, Ian Jackson wrote: >> There are organisations with plenty of money, who would perhaps like >> to infiltrate us, but for whom risk of exposure is the biggest cost of >> trying. > > Which organisations would that be? >

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-13 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-11 20:17, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Following that argument, I think a key should be signed and included in > the Debian keyring if it (the key) has a history of high quality > contributions. Meeting the keyholder in person to look at his passport > doesn't seem to add anything of particula

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-13 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-13 13:38, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > There are certainly possible attacks here, but do we realistically think > we're going to protect ourselves against a competent attacker willing to > put 3-6-12 months of full-time effort into becoming a DD and getting > access? Probably not. But does

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-12 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-12 22:49, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Christian Kastner writes: >> I of course agree with the first part, but I have to disagree with the >> last sentence: I think it does increase the risk for the attacker. >> Because even if the ID is fake, I still have seen a per

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-12 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-12 22:30, Christian Kastner wrote: > Then again, in the latter case, I find it hard to believe that someone > so dedicated to Debian would not at some point run into a fellow Debian > Developer would cound verify the credentials would be able

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-12 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-12 21:29, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > In my opinion, exactly the same applies for someone you've met. I think > it's a lot easier to get a forged id than to establish a history of > valuable contributions. Well, it depends. A forged passport[1], if one even knows where to get it, will cost y

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-12 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-12 21:11, Russ Allbery wrote: > Christian Kastner writes: > >> And I maintain that those people cannot be trusted with unrestricted >> upload rights to the archive. That person-noone-has-ever-met but >> occasionally-prepares-and-uploads-packages could jus

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-12 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-12 18:20, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Christian Kastner writes: >> I highly disagree. "Contributing to Debian for 5 years" alone is well >> within the means and patience of various organizations with potentially >> malicious intentions. > > Does that m

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

2015-02-11 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-11 21:45, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > I agree with Philip (as usual), but it's also the standard that we hold > ourselves to when signing someones OpenPGP key -- I can't assert > someone's identity matches without meeting them. I think this is spot on. This identity match ties a unique ke

Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2014-09-04 17:40, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > In conclusion, I think we should stop building administrative procedures > to enforce the CoC but start integrating it as a part of our collective > and individual responsibilities as Debian events attendees; there's > antiharassment@ for the up

Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2014-09-04 07:28, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04 2014, Christian Kastner wrote: > >> On 2014-09-04 01:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj S

Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2014-09-04 01:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >>> People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with >>> them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing