On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 02:01:01PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> > On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> > > > Is it actually OK for FD to "demand" that candidates go through DM
> > > > before applying for
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>> AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
>> database.
> I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM first
> (and that's what I understood), I could understand that his NM a
Hello,
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 21:11:00 Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> > On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
> >
> >
> > AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
> > database.
>
> I can't speak for the NM team, but if h
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
> The FD can say that someone isn't ready to enter the NM process,
> though, and then provide specific suggestions as to how they can
> demonstrate to the FD that they are ready to enter the NM process.
I'm not disagreeing with that. But that's a compl
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> > > Is it actually OK for FD to "demand" that candidates go through DM
> > > before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process?
> >
> > If the FD isn't fairly confide
On 06/07/10 15:11, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>> On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
>>
>>
>> AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
>> database.
>
> I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> > Is it actually OK for FD to "demand" that candidates go through DM
> > before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process?
>
> If the FD isn't fairly confident that someone has enough experience in
> Debian
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> Is it actually OK for FD to "demand" that candidates go through DM
> before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process?
If the FD isn't fairly confident that someone has enough experience in
Debian to make occupying an AM's time and taking slotes and time
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM
> first (and that's what I understood), I could understand that his NM
> application got removed for now.
This is the thing I'm having some problem with in the discussion so far.
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
>
>
> AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
> database.
I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM first
(and that's what I understood), I could under
the page http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers/Discussion has been updated
with what had been said this morning.
Feel free to change it.
I don't know yet how to make the distinction in this page between the
renaming discussion and the reform of the membership.
Thanks to Aioanei Rares and Ben Fi
* Ben Finney [100706 00:11]:
> It seems clear from the murmurs of assent in this thread that
> “maintainer” is an overloaded term, but perhaps we're not agreeing on
> which usages should be changed.
>
> So Russ, what do you think “maintainer” should mean in Debian, and what
> current usages are no
On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
database.
--
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler
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Hi,
Firs of all: for people who are going to reply me from now on: Please don't
make me repeat the same thing a dozen times, it's boring for me to have to
do so and for people reading.
So if you're going to tell you opinon about whether you consider that I made
effort enough or not to apply fo
On 07/06/2010 02:24 PM, Carsten Hey wrote:
> * Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo [2010-07-02 19:01 +0200]:
>> [4] Including not acknowledging NMUs (many of them FTBFS), not replying to
>> most (any?) bug reports, not replying when people asked to update the
>> software or orphan it if he was not intere
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Patrick Schoenfeld
wrote:
> And that is already wrong and (for now!) IMHO disqualifying you from beeing
> a DD. The point is, we want our DDs to take some responsibility
> for the ideals and goals of the project and to be trustworthy.
> That is because they have u
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
wrote:
> There's an anual ping for Debian Maintainers, maybe it would be a good idea
> to do something similar for Debian Developers, which AFAIK there's no such
> thing. Any task can be better planned if you know the task-force that y
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 03:13:34PM +0200, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
> I, as an outsider, don't want to "investigate and report" on people, in
> general; I'm just concerned with packages being in a good shape (especially
> the ones that I know of, and if I can help in any way).
we
[2010-07-06 14:05] Gerfried Fuchs
> * Martin ?gren [2010-07-06 13:28:31 CEST]:
> >
> > [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg5.html
>
> I really would like to see this proposal (or at least something along
> the lines) to be carried on with.
Me too.
> This discussio
Hello Manuel,
I would like you not to be so hurt, calm down and listen to people.
By rule of thumb nobody in the boat is evil, but there are many
misunderstandings which with *pacience and time* will get solved.
2010/7/2 Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo :
> Another thing, I'm going out for the wee
Aioanei Rares writes:
> Quoting from the link above : "If a renaming take place, will there be
> also a reform of the membership. And which will come first."
As a native English speaker, I read the above as questions. They should
have question-mark (?) instead of full-stop (.) at the end of the
Hi,
First of all, most honest thanks to you Russ, you seem to be the only one
concerned really with what I am saying (even reading it).
On Sunday 04 July 2010 19:36:02 Russ Allbery wrote:
> Please try to use a charitable reading of other people's messages when
>
> > understanding e-mail and, a
* Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo [2010-07-02 19:01 +0200]:
> [4] Including not acknowledging NMUs (many of them FTBFS), not replying to
> most (any?) bug reports, not replying when people asked to update the
> software or orphan it if he was not interested anymore, not replying to my
> (private) off
* Martin Ågren [2010-07-06 13:28:31 CEST]:
> On 6 July 2010 12:56, Frans Pop wrote:
> > Seems to me we've already had this discussion with exactly the same
> > alternatives a few years back.
>
> Indeed. What I think Cristoph meant in his first message, but not
> everybody got, was that rather th
On Tue Jul 06 12:56, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders.
> > "Debian Contributor" seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already
> > suggested.
>
> So where would that leave translators, art people
On Saturday 03 July 2010 03:48:39 Ana Guerrero wrote:
> Quoting a small paragraph of the loong email:
>
> On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 07:01:18PM +0200, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
wrote:
> > (There are more official Debian Developers in that city but they didn't
> > reply to the calls, and
On 6 July 2010 12:56, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>> DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders.
>> "Debian Contributor" seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already
>> suggested.
>
> So where would that leave translators, art people,
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders.
> "Debian Contributor" seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already
> suggested.
So where would that leave translators, art people, etc, etc. Aren't
they "contributing" to? "Contri
On 07/05/2010 11:19 PM, Henri Le Foll wrote:
I understand that any one who has an advocate can become a Debian
Maintainer.
So the Debian Maintainer as it is today could become a Debian
Contributor. Without any modification.
Everything relies on the advocation.
I have created http://wiki.deb
On 05/07/2010 16:54, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Montag, 5. Juli 2010, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
>> As they seem to be often used in a shortened version, is there any
>> way, we can prevent "Debian maintainers" and "Package maintainers"
>> both to be maintainers?
>
> rename "Debian
On Jul 5, 2010, at 16:54, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Montag, 5. Juli 2010, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
>> As they seem to be often used in a shortened version, is there any way,
>> we can prevent "Debian maintainers" and "Package maintainers" both to be
>> maintainers?
>
> rename "D
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On Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Also Debian Developers are able to upload stuff, therefore uploaders. No
> no, that just doesn't fit :)
Obviously Debian Developers can do, what DMs can do.
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