Re: Just ignore.

2006-02-22 Thread Harald Geyer
Hi Steve! I think you mix three different things in a dangerous way. I'm differentiating trolls, flames/flame wars and long threads. You probably aren't the one who started mixing them, but your mail shows where this leads to: > > I just wanted to express that such a system, no matter how it is

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread MJ Ray
Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, if you feel a particular post was inappropriate / out-of-line bring > it to the attention of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggest using a bug report if it's important enough to track. This is mentioned as an alternative on http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#maintena

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2006-02-22 kello 10:36 +0100, Alexis Sukrieh kirjoitti: > * Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) disait : > > Please take into account that the second part of my mail is only an idea, > > that it's in no way perfect. I know it looks like public delation and so > > on. I'm looking forward for ide

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Reply-to debian-project ] reply-to, ignored since I feel this is important enough that both lists should see this reponse. > > Hi everybody, > > In the light of recent events, those polls could be used to give a physical > rea

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 04:03:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > [ Reply-to debian-project ] > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to > > evaluate the popularity of random i

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:05:48AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta wrote: > > > Those polls are not fully crafted GR so they are not as binding as a GR > > > could be but they should give up a pretty good overview of the current > > > opinion inside the

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Reply-to debian-project ] > > Hi everybody, > > given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to > evaluate the popularity of random ideas/opinions in a short time frame. > Jeroen (jvw) recently conducted two

Re: Just ignore. [Was: Re: More polls and social pressure]

2006-02-22 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Why do people actually believe that telling everyone to ignore flames is a > workable strategy? [...] I don't. debian is not (should not be) a monoculture and there's the danger of ignoring badly-worded non-flame/troll posts, which is silly and intolerant. It's

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread MJ Ray
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > My idea would be to officialize a "weekly consultation" of the developers I think making these official is a terrible idea because it would change an interesting experimental data-collection method into a tool for more summary mob-rule decisions by deleg

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta wrote: > > It's just an idea that I wanted to share because I believe that we need to > > do > > something to reduce the level of flames on our lists. I'm always open to > > better ideas. > > I just wanted to express that such a system, no matter how

Just ignore. [Was: Re: More polls and social pressure]

2006-02-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:34:56AM +0100, Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:05:48AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta wrote: > > > And keeping those not > > > bored with them making pseudo decisions (or DD's opinion) for the r

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > * Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) disait : > > Please take into account that the second part of my mail is only an idea, > > that it's in no way perfect. I know it looks like public delation and so > > on. I'm looking forward for ideas to improve th

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:05:48AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta wrote: > > And keeping those not > > bored with them making pseudo decisions (or DD's opinion) for the rest. > > The second part of the proposal (social pressure) should not hinder the

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta wrote: > > Those polls are not fully crafted GR so they are not as binding as a GR > > could be but they should give up a pretty good overview of the current > > opinion inside the project (if each poll has been well prepared by its > > proponent). > >

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Reply-to debian-project ] > > Hi everybody, > > given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to > evaluate the popularity of random ideas/opinions in a short time frame. > Jeroen (jvw) recently conducted two

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Alexis Sukrieh
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) disait : > Please take into account that the second part of my mail is only an idea, > that it's in no way perfect. I know it looks like public delation and so > on. I'm looking forward for ideas to improve this proposal. Hmmm, even if I'm sure Raphael wants t

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The result of the polls could eventually be used by the listmasters to > take action if needed. So "eventually" is not what I meant, but rather "possibly" (it's a "faux-amis", a bad translation from french word "éventuellement"). Please take into acc

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Reply-to debian-project ] > > Hi everybody, > > given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to > evaluate the popularity of random ideas/opinions in a short time frame. > Jeroen (jvw) recently conducted two

More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Reply-to debian-project ] Hi everybody, given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to evaluate the popularity of random ideas/opinions in a short time frame. Jeroen (jvw) recently conducted two informal polls (vi-tiny vs elvis, and maintainer field for ubuntu) and I liked