Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:53:30PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > Thomas has probably heard, and taken note of, the concern that many > > free-lance Debian consultants are on an academic year schedule and > > less responsive during the summe

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Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 02:07:34AM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > I get your point, but Debian is putting *commercial business* their > way, Well, don't expect that you'll saturate a hundred-agent-callcenter with answering sales requests originated at debian-consultants. In fact, I am not aware of a

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 03:41:44AM +0300, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:00:28AM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > > > Why should Debian *advertise* the services of someone who will not > > > return the favour? > > > > Why should a consulta

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:53:30PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > Thomas has probably heard, and taken note of, the concern that many > free-lance Debian consultants are on an academic year schedule and > less responsive during the summer. If he thinks they should be given > a bye until Septem

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Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 03:23:12PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 7/15/05, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems like there is already someone with this authority, but whenever he > > tries to do his job, he gets harangued by people who don't approve of the > > way he's doing

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 02:07:34AM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > I get your point, but Debian is putting *commercial business* their > way, and attaching to their business a notional imprint of Debian > approval. If they cannot face acknowledging that people may come to them > because of this, then p

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Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Rich Walker
Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:00:28AM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: >> Why should Debian *advertise* the services of someone who will not >> return the favour? > > Why should a consultant be *forced* to advertise for Debian in order to > obtain listing in our di

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:00:28AM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > > Why should Debian *advertise* the services of someone who will not > > return the favour? > > Why should a consultant be *forced* to advertise for Debian in order > to obtain listing in our

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But then, how do we not know they don't propose redhat solutions or whatever > to people coming to them through us ? I've implemented migrations and cross-packaging from Red Hat to Debian, Debian to Ubuntu, Ubuntu to Red Hat, and various other p

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 02:32:36PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:27:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Maybe we could do it both way, and split the listing into two lists, those > > consultants that are ready to aknowledge debian, and those that prefer to > > hide > > the

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:00:28AM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > Why should Debian *advertise* the services of someone who will not > return the favour? Why should a consultant be *forced* to advertise for Debian in order to obtain listing in our directory? To me, this smacks of the kind of additio

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Rich Walker
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:26:53PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: >> Yes thats what I thought should be prevented. In my opinion >> every website on the consultants page should clearly point >> to debian. > > That's your opinion. I beg to differ. For example, you

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems like there is already someone with this authority, but whenever he > tries to do his job, he gets harangued by people who don't approve of the > way he's doing it. That's why God invented thick skins and the "delete" key. - M

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 02:53:35PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > Could the DPL please just delegate somebody with authority to weed > this list based on whatever criteria they think wise, so that we don't > have to debate endlessly about who's a > domain-squatter-PageRank-manipulator and who's

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're being quite presumptuous about people's motives. How do you know that > someone 'prefers to hide' that they do debian work, just because they do not > advertise it? Could the DPL please just delegate somebody with authority to weed this

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:27:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Maybe we could do it both way, and split the listing into two lists, those > consultants that are ready to aknowledge debian, and those that prefer to hide > they do debian work. You're being quite presumptuous about people's motives.

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Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 22:36]: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 01:08:06PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:56:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: [...] > > > The consultants maintainers haven't given "must list debian on > > > webpage" as one of those criteria y

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 01:08:06PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:56:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > > Debian has *no* business of telling people what to put on their websites. > > > > > > If someone doesn't like the fact that a consultant doesn't list Debian on > > > the

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:56:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Debian has *no* business of telling people what to put on their websites. > > If someone doesn't like the fact that a consultant doesn't list Debian on > > their website, then they don't have to use that consultant. Suggesting that > >

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread MJ Ray
Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:53:30PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > * Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 17:47]: > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:26:53PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > > > Yes thats what I thought should be prevented. In my opinion > > >

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 04:13:28PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > To accept aptitude fully, it should suppoert the > "--purge" option of apt-get because I do not like > tonns of old configs laying around... This is a technical issue and should be discussed on a techical mailing list, but not on

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-07-15 17:16:14, schrieb Luk Claes: > Hi > > I is like Joey and debian/security. > > I don't think you know the details about his situation, nor is it a good > idea to attack persons in public without a little bit of research... Why, it seems that he is th only person working on security

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:53:30PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > * Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 17:47]: > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:26:53PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > > Yes thats what I thought should be prevented. In my opinion > > > every website on the consultants page shou

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Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 17:47]: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:26:53PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > Yes thats what I thought should be prevented. In my opinion > > every website on the consultants page should clearly point > > to debian. > > That's your opinion. I beg to dif

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Luk Claes
Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2005-07-15 16:15:00, schrieb Luk Claes: > >>Michelle Konzack wrote: >> >>>Hello Thomas, >> >>Hi (though Thomas is not the only reader of [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > :-) Hi > But it seems, because how it is possibel to have an endless backlog? Normally one replies all

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:01:56PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2005-07-15 16:28:10, schrieb René van Bevern: > > On 15.07.05, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > > > Hi Michelle, > > > > > To accept aptitude fully, it should suppoert the > > > "--purge" option of apt-get because I do not lik

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:26:53PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Yes thats what I thought should be prevented. In my opinion > every website on the consultants page should clearly point > to debian. That's your opinion. I beg to differ. For example, you might have a consultancy company that does, as

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Luk, * Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 17:14]: > Nico Golde wrote: > Please don't remove any role address or mailing list in your replies, > especially when you ask questions to receivers of the role address! Oh sorry, I just used list-reply. [...] > > How do we handle consulta

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Luk Claes
Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, Hi Please don't remove any role address or mailing list in your replies, especially when you ask questions to receivers of the role address! > * Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 16:12]: > >>I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a dela

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-07-15 16:15:00, schrieb Luk Claes: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Hello Thomas, > > Hi (though Thomas is not the only reader of [EMAIL PROTECTED]) :-) But it seems, because how it is possibel to have an endless backlog? :-/ I is like Joey and debian/security. > I don't know what happened

Re: A new banner for Sarge

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Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-07-15 16:28:10, schrieb René van Bevern: > On 15.07.05, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Hi Michelle, > > > To accept aptitude fully, it should suppoert the > > "--purge" option of apt-get because I do not like > > tonns of old configs laying around... > > It does. As "aptitude help" might ha

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-07-15 16:30:56, schrieb Nico Golde: > Hi, > * Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 16:12]: > > I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a delay > > of two month and like to know, how long does it take to be included ? > > > > Over two month to wait is definiti

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-07-15 16:28:18, schrieb Thomas Huriaux: > Hi Michelle, > > Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (15/07/2005): > > I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a delay > > of two month and like to know, how long does it take to be included ? > > As written on http://www.debia

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Remi Vanicat
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am 2005-07-15 14:06:52, schrieb Florian Weimer: >> * René van Bevern: >> >> > The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each >> > letter is almost as much as the space between each word. >> >> It's also a bit unfortunate becaus

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Luk Claes
Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Thomas, Hi (though Thomas is not the only reader of [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a delay > of two month and like to know, how long does it take to be included ? I don't know what happened with your first message,

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 16:12]: > I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a delay > of two month and like to know, how long does it take to be included ? > > Over two month to wait is definitiv to much. How do we handle consultants who don't say a

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Thomas Huriaux
Hi Michelle, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (15/07/2005): > I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a delay > of two month and like to know, how long does it take to be included ? As written on http://www.debian.org/consultants/ Please note that we are currently process

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread René van Bevern
On 15.07.05, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hi Michelle, > To accept aptitude fully, it should suppoert the > "--purge" option of apt-get because I do not like > tonns of old configs laying around... It does. As "aptitude help" might have shown you, there is "aptitude purge package-name". René p

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-07-15 14:06:52, schrieb Florian Weimer: > * René van Bevern: > > > The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each > > letter is almost as much as the space between each word. > > It's also a bit unfortunate because we recommend to use aptitude. To accept aptitude fu

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Thomas, I have already send two Messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in a delay of two month and like to know, how long does it take to be included ? Over two month to wait is definitiv to much. Greetings Michelle Am 2005-07-06 11:00:06, schrieb Thomas Huriaux: > Hi, > > According to the pol

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * René van Bevern: > >> The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each >> letter is almost as much as the space between each word. > > It's also a bit unfortunate because we recommend to use aptitude. Debian Sarge - with an aptitu

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Florian Weimer
* René van Bevern: > On 15.07.05, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * René van Bevern: >> > The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each >> > letter is almost as much as the space between each word. >> It's also a bit unfortunate because we recommend to use aptitude. > > What I said

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread René van Bevern
On 15.07.05, Florian Weimer wrote: > * René van Bevern: > > The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each > > letter is almost as much as the space between each word. > It's also a bit unfortunate because we recommend to use aptitude. What I said in the following sentece. ;)

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Florian Weimer
* René van Bevern: > The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each > letter is almost as much as the space between each word. It's also a bit unfortunate because we recommend to use aptitude.

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * René van Bevern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-15 13:29]: > On 15.07.05, feanor wrote: > > What do you think of it ? > > Quite nice, the Swirl could need some antialiasing though. > > The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each > letter is almost as much as the space

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread René van Bevern
On 15.07.05, feanor wrote: Hi, > What do you think of it ? Quite nice, the Swirl could need some antialiasing though. The "apt-get into it" is hard to read because the space between each letter is almost as much as the space between each word. Further, "aptitude" is recommended instead of "apt-

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-07-15 Thread Christoph Berg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Re: feanor in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.rlmh.net/debian-sarge-2005.png > > What do you think of it ? The spacing of the text is weird. And using multiple exclamtion marks is bad style. The rest looks nice, I wouldn't use 3 different baselines

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2005-07-15 Thread MJ Ray
Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 12:30:38AM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Hmmm, I have seen the Swirl on many places over the Internet, > > I think, it was a template or something like this, which you > > can find on cheap CD roms flying around in t