Re: Request assistance with monotone package on alpha, hppa, mipsel, powerpc, s390

2007-09-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 06:59:28PM -0700, Zack Weinberg wrote: > I'm one of the maintainers of the Debian package of monotone; I'm also > one of its upstream developers. For the new 0.36-1 package presently > in unstable, we decided to run the program's testsuite during the > build. This found fa

Re: png problems on powerpc and s390 (was: Bug#322821: libpng12-0: new version breaks pdflatex)

2005-09-27 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 08:58:01AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: > Being from EBCDIC land, s390 probably also has an unsigned char by default. > (dang this is dumb - all Linux ports should use the same default) arm also uses unsigned char by default. I have had to fix a few things because of that

Re: after Debian update most apps crash - libffi issue?

2021-09-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:34:23PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > OK. I'm regenerating the chroots on the build servers now and then > trigger another rebuild of the package. If that still doesn't help, > we know there is some runtime detection which enables these instructions > during b

Re: after Debian update most apps crash - libffi issue?

2021-09-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 04:26:04PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:34:23PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > OK. I'm regenerating the chroots on the build servers now and then > > trigger another rebuild of the package. If that still doesn

Re: after Debian update most apps crash - libffi issue?

2021-09-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 10:27:59PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Yes. And this is not acceptable because they are manipulating the baseline. > > Thanks for catching this. This is our bug! I would be surprised if powerpc is the only architecture bitten by this. What is i386 being compi

Re: Off-Topic: G5 Open Firmware instability

2022-05-13 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 08:56:00AM -0700, to...@suse.de wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 03:58:08PM +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > Hi. > > > Have you already looked below the cover of the cooling system? Is > > there any visible leakage (remove power before looking into that)? >

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 04:58:06PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Well, it works with ISO images, that's the point. The installation CDs use > iso9660 > as their filesystem and they have a blessed bootloader which shows in the > firmware's > boot menu. > > Thomas Schmitt briefly expla

Re: Debian on IBM RS/6000 7248-43p

2023-05-11 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 12:01:45PM +0200, Alexander Huemer wrote: > I am the proud owner of this ancient machine on which I am attempting to > install Debian. This machine is equipped with a Gotek floppy emulator > and a ZuluSCSI emulator (for HDD and CD-ROM) for convenience reasons. > For refere

Re: Debian on IBM RS/6000 7248-43p

2023-05-11 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 02:05:01PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > That might be possible, but you need a PReP boot partition on your > disk (type 0x41), to which you directly copy the kernel if memory > serves. Later releases put yaboot or grub2 on that partition so you actually got a proper boot

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 02:14:16PM +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote: > As per `grub-install(8)`: > > ``` > grub-install copies GRUB images into boot/grub. > ``` > > As the call to `grub-install` is performed by `chroot` inside the root > FS of the new installation, I assume the FAT bootstrap partition

Re: Fork of current version of »hfs« package

2023-05-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 01:24:15PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > I have started working on an updated »hfsprogs« packages based on the > split-out version of the HFS(+) code in the »hfs« package. For this, > I have forked Apple's original »hfs« package on Github [1]. > > Fe

Re: Fork of current version of »hfs« package

2023-05-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 09:24:42PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Blocks are like C++ lamda's. ObjC folks like to use them to ensure > cleanup in a function, like releasing a handle or free'ing memory. Funny how the high level description of them couldn't even bother so explain that. That does ma

Re: "cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Read-only file system" on a Power Mac G5

2024-08-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 09:25:17PM +0300, ilko Iliev wrote: > Hello, > Whenever I'm trying to upgrade/install something I get the following errors. > I'd appreciate some pointers as to where to begin as I'm clueless on the > matter. > > >

Re: "cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Read-only file system" on a Power Mac G5

2024-08-11 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 02:04:18PM +0300, ilko Iliev wrote: > Hello Len, > Here's what the mounts are like: > /boot/grub /dev/sda2 hfs ro,relatime,uid=0,gid=0 That is certainly mounted readonly (ro) so unless you remount it rw it i

Re: Adding more ppc64 buildds from the POWER cloud

2016-04-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 08:19:13AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I was recently told by aurel32@d.o that ppc32 kernels do not run on a > ppc64 CPU. So if one wants to run a Debian kernel [1], we are pretty > much required to be running a ppc64 kernel. > This is the current situation with partch

Re: Adding more ppc64 buildds from the POWER cloud

2016-04-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 10:51:37AM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > What is really missing in ppc-land is a variant which uses 32 bit > addresses but otherwise knows that general purposes registers are > 64 bit wide and can be used as such, i.e., an alternative 32 bit ABI > which can only run on 64

Re: Bug#819069: dietlibc: FTBFS on powerpcspe due to missing FPU emulation in library

2016-04-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 11:07:00PM +, kaleb white wrote: > I don't know that. OK, so why not buy an iBook G3? It's a 740 (like my > Clamshell) and Debian would work. Because the e500 core is a current embedded processor being used by some people who would like to run debian on those systems.

Re: Bug#819069: dietlibc: FTBFS on powerpcspe due to missing FPU emulation in library

2016-04-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 03:17:44PM +0200, luigi burdo wrote: > Hi,i face math issues with debian jessie with e5500 P5020 64bit tooif the > math emulation is not enabled i dont thave the desktop running only the > console.This issue is not present on ubuntu mate/lubuntu/Xubuntu e5500 IS powerpc

Re: Sharpen your LARTs, n00b alert.

2016-04-18 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:30:00AM +0100, Teh Currymonstah wrote: > I'd have lurked for longer, but it's just /so/ quiet, so I'll ask a question > or erm. more. > > An AS/400 Model 250 a.k.a. IBM iSeries 9406-250, "Northstar" based, so PPC. > right?, which seems to have wheedled its way into a spa

Re: d-i: 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

2016-04-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:16:27PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Does anyone knows what happen to section: > > 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting > > in the powerpc install guide ? > > I see it alright from here: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04.html.en

Re: d-i: 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

2016-04-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 08:36:22AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:16:27PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >> Does anyone knows what happen to section: > >&g

Re: d-i: 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

2016-04-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 02:33:50PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hum. I tried burning the iso directly on key, but the filesystem was > ISO 9660 which Open Firmware refused to read... > > If you want I can try harder tonight, but I assumed the key needed to be in > HFS. Hmm, I did not check

Re: Sharpen your LARTs, n00b alert.

2016-04-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 03:17:15PM +0100, Teh Currymonstah wrote: > Possibly not.. Though I have a few spare hard disks, so may give it a go for > the craic. Well if you have the time to play with it, might as well. > There used to be an x37something emulator in Debian. The font is still > there,

Re: Power Mac G5: Attempting to get 2D acceleration with nouveau and 6800 Ultra

2016-05-02 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 05:37:07PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hi Peter, > > It looks like events have caught up with us. There’s now a 4.5.0 kernel in > Debian testing and strong hints that the kernel in Stretch, when it’s > released, will be based on 4.6. So your reconfigured 4.5.0-rc2 kerne

Re: No GUI after install of Debian 8.4.0 PowerPC

2016-05-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 08:33:37PM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > I installed Debian 8.4.0 PowerPC onto an iMac G5. When I tried using Debian, > I only saw a command-line interface. startx didn't start the GUI. I did see > an error message when I tried using startx, but it went away too quickly f

Re: No GUI after install of Debian 8.4.0 PowerPC

2016-05-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 10:43:23PM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > ATI Radeon 9600 with 128 MB of vram. Hmm, well at least that means you don't have the nvidia page size problem. Maybe someone with Mac experience has some ideas then. -- Len Sorensen

Re: ppc64 port and multiarch

2016-06-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 11:13:15AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Dear developers, > > I am using the ppc64 port with multiarch on a powerpc system > Unfortunately since the general binNMU of ppc64, it does not > work anymore for Multi-Arch: same packages. Unfortunately binNUMs are often breaking

Re: Debian/ppc64el images being tested daily

2016-06-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 12:28:53AM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > I was wondering if someone could change the PowerPC KDE iso so it can have a > display manager running at startup by default. They are a lot easier to use > than a command-line. Would you know who to contact to get this done? Sele

Re: ppc64el netinst will not boot

2016-06-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:40:10PM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > On Jun 3, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote: > > > I have a PowerMac G5 and I tried to load the 64el iso and it will not boot. > > Has anyone had similar issues? > > Yes. I tried installing it on my iMac G5 and it wou

Re: Bug#825110: ppc64 patch for yaboot FTBFS and e2fslibs1.41-dev

2016-06-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 09:17:20AM -0400, wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 02:07:31PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > > I understand your point for ppc64el, but since `yaboot` gets build on > > ppc64, some users may break their systems... > > According to buildd, it fails to build on ppc64 (not

Re: Bug#825110: ppc64 patch for yaboot FTBFS and e2fslibs1.41-dev

2016-06-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 08:23:32PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Fixed ! I do not believe using #825110 make sense. Thanks for the patch ! I agree. Now I do NOT have the hardware to test if the build works, but at least it now builds. -- Len Sorensen

Re: old G5 iMac with NVIDIA card

2016-06-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 12:13:35PM -0400, Steven Grunza wrote: > Does anyone know if the nouveau driver will work with an old G5 PowerPC and > the GeForce FX G05200 it originally used? > > The last time I tried it had numerous problems (no graphics, kernel panics, > etc). > > lsusb reports the vi

Re: iMac G3 Snow 600MHz

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 10:42:40PM +0200, Alex Santos wrote: > I have an iMac G3 Snow 600MHz with a CDR. I would like to install some kind > of Unix variant with a GUI. Can someone recommend a starting point. How much RAM do you have in it? -- Len Sorensen

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 07:57:17PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > So what does lspci shows now ? It is NOT a PCI device. It is a localbus device. -- Len Sorensen

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:28:12PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Wolfram, > > Could you please double check the following output from modinfo and > confirm this is the same issue as Debian #714345 Well if it is, then manually doing: modprobe airport should detect the wifi on the new kernel.

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:23:01PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Sorry. How does one list those ? Well you pretty much just don't. Life was hard before PCI/USB/etc when things didn't have a nice way to detect present hardware. OpenFirmware, and amiga autoconfig and I guess isa pnp worked too

Re: Bug#714345: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:47:34PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Actually there are two issues in #714345, the last one which I suspect > (trailing 'C' in alias) has still not been merged ([GIT PULL] Please > pull powerpc/linux.git powerpc-4.7-3 tag) You are right. I misread the patches someh

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 02:46:13PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Looks like someone has discovered the likely problem, which is an > openfirmware compatiblity match issues introduced in 4.5 that is fixed > again in 4.6. OK not fixed in 4.6 (I misread it). Will be fixed in some futur

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 09:04:12AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > The debian-powerpc@l.d.o mailing list is active so I would say it > still has some users. I have been using partch.d.o for doing some work > on PowerPC. I posted a summary of work people have been doing on this > port lately: > >

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:35:02PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Do they implement the ISA required by the existing Debian port? Yes. The only ones that don't are the Freescale 85xx and P10[12]x chips, which are powerpcspe due to using the e500 core. All the 83xx and 82xx chips which are still

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 04:11:32PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Well, we just did a full archive rebuild of "ppc64" to be able to > support ppc64 on the e5500 cores by disabling AltiVec, didn't we? Well it is getting there. -- Len Sorensen

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:35:20PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Yeah, apparently it's cheaper to bootstrap a complete new little endian > platform than to fix portability issues in existing software... I believe a big reason is that Nvidia cards expect little endian data, and the overhead of

Re: maclhw ?

2016-06-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:54:20AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Does anyone knows if any of the flavor: powerpc / ppc64 / ppc64el > supports 'maclhw' ? Well I don't know what maclhw means. I do know ppc64el only works on IBM power8 and newer, so you probably don't have that. ppc64 should wo

Re: give back for ffmpeg on ppc64

2016-06-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:02:51AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Indeed. What are the machine amaterasu and tsukuyomi, do they have altivec ? > > I cannot reproduce FTBFS on the sole ppc64 porterbox we have: pizzetti.d.o: > > malat@pizzetti ~ % cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > cpu : POWER8

Re: give back for ffmpeg on ppc64

2016-06-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 08:13:05PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > Hi Lennart, > you cant virtualize the e5500 because is book3e your is a book3s > you can only emulate as bambo or others M embembed but without video output . Well all I was trying to do was emulate it with qemu, but apparently it isn

Re: give back for ffmpeg on ppc64

2016-06-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:06:15PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > sorry i see Power8 and was sure you had a real machine . That was someone else's output. -- Len Sorensen

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 08:57:56AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > any of you still running G3 or anyway a non-altivec computer? > > I noticed that using GS applications (compiled from source, not debian > packages) I am unable to open JPEG files, I get an Illegal instruction. > > (gdb)

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 07:46:10PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 08:57:56AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > >>I what test program could I use? I noticed that e.g. Firefox (which works) > >>

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 11:25:34AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > > Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >Well it does not work -yet- at least on ppc32 with gcc 6.1.1: > > > >https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71777 > > > >But I would report the bug anyway to libjpegturbo. Riccardo, cou

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 09:54:02PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > "upstream" replied with this: > > https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo/commit/6c0b7613b4d48dd35e54fc968f4a808d495f2fef That is garbage in my opinion, given there exists a proper interface for getting that info. > parsi

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 10:52:01AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > I wonder if you can have different cores? e.g. how is a Cell processor seen > in cpuinfo? Just out of curiosity. I don't think it is, since it needs special handling to dispatch jobs. As long as any core in cpuinfo has altivec, it

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 01:43:12PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > You don't always configure/compile on the machine you run. Especially > the people who build distributions. True, but you would still be configuring and compiling against the target libc, so configure would do the right thing. --

Re: Debian 8.5.0 iso on qemu vm

2016-07-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 02:20:42PM +0200, Frederic Bonnard wrote: > Hi, > anyone having success to boot the latest Jessie netinst iso with a qemu vm ? > > iso : > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-powerpc-netinst.iso > cli : qemu-system-ppc -m 1024 -nographic -

Re: maclhw ?

2016-07-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:49:17PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > On 2016-06-21 11:54, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > > Does anyone knows if any of the flavor: powerpc / ppc64 / ppc64el > > supports 'maclhw' ? > > The maclhw family of instruction is specific to the PowerPC 405 CPU. > I *think* you can

Re: PowerPC roadmap for Stretch

2016-10-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 02:16:56PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hi all, > > Since there has been some fuss about powerpc recently, let's see if I > can get some help on issue(s) I'd like to fix for Stretch. > > If anyone is able to provide help with any of the following, please do > contact

Re: haskell-http-link-header

2016-10-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 03:06:11PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > haskell-http-link-header fails to build on the powerpc buildds. It > builds fine in a sid chroot on partch, so I have no idea how to > reproduce this. > > Does anyone have any insight? The last time this happened (in May I believe) s

Re: Problem with gem network card

2016-10-14 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 08:25:43AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Christian Groessler > > After > > > > $ ip link set eth0 down > > $ ip link set eth0 up > > > > it's working again. > > > > But I have to be physically at the machine for this, so it's not a real

Re: Problem with gem network card

2016-10-14 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:45:14AM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: > There is certainly a way to automate this, but my question on whether > that sequence would fix the problem was intended to more easily fix a > real bug in the driver. I guess a simple hack would be a cron job every m

Re: powerpc64 in testing install

2016-10-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:26:17PM -0700, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: > I just grabbed the latest testing powerpc netinst iso and saw I no long had > the option of a 64-bit kernel install, So is Stretch is not going to have > PowerPC 64-bit support? That's odd. I do see this: https://packages

Re: ppc64el porter situation

2016-10-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:22:14PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo#Companies_supporting_the_project > > That's also an impressive list of companies, isn't it? > When the one company that mattered switched to a different platform, > the whole platform collapsed immed

Re: ppc64el porter situation

2016-10-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:54:43PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I think Freescala/NXP might disagree. Not sure if the e6500 core could > ruin ppc64el or not, but they certainly make a lot of powerpc chips. That should have said 'run' not 'ruin'. That would ha

Re: ppc64el porter situation

2016-10-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:18:39PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Freescala/NXP is not even on the OpenPOWER member list - this is not the > old power.org Neither is AMCC as far as I can tell. Doesn't mean they aren't still doing powerpc. > For their network processors Freescala/NXP is moving away

Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs

2016-10-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 05:46:58PM -0800, Kristen wrote: > So then I must ask this question, given that Gnome fails to work for > PowerPC, at least for Apple computers. Why is it that during the install > process is Gnome even listed as a desktop environment to install? > > Does Gnome need to be c

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 02:52:47PM +0200, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, Antoine Durand wrote: > > > after reading the Supported Hardware doc > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en#idp40476048 > > I still can't understand if the follo

Re: ppc64el porter situation

2016-10-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 09:01:26PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Are they developing new powerpc products? AMCC? I have no idea. Maybe not. Freescale certainly seems to be. > Their latest products are also pretty ARM. That they are. > Are you talking about new e6500 SoCs, or are you only talki

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 03:51:01PM +0200, Christian Zigotzky wrote: > A-EON Technology has released some new PowerPC computers. Debian PPC works > in these computers. > > AmigaOne X5000 (Freescale P5020 CPU 2GHz, 64-bit e5500 dual-core PowerPC > SoC) > > Links: > http://www.amigaos.net/hardware/1

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 09:45:29PM +0200, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote: > That is indeed the case. > > That's what the sane part of the Amiga world has been asking for a while. > > That's what the sane part of the Amiga world has been telling for a while. > :) Oh good, everyone seems to agr

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 02:16:54PM +0200, Erik Brangs wrote: > I would be interested in a 32-bit multi-core PPC machine that is > "desktop-ish" and can run Debian powerpc (i.e. not powerpcspe). Does anyone > happen to know any machines that fit these requirements? The only thing I > could find w

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:33:51PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 02:16:54PM +0200, Erik Brangs wrote: > > I would be interested in a 32-bit multi-core PPC machine that is > > "desktop-ish" and can run Debian powerpc (i.e. not powerpcspe). Does a

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 08:08:29PM +0200, Erik Brangs wrote: > Thanks for the hints, but those machines use 64-bit processors or 32-bit > processors with SPE. I would need a 32-bit PPC with FPU, preferably with > multiple cores. The projects that I'm interested in are related to code > generatio

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 08:32:23PM +0200, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote: > 64bit PPCs should be compatible with 32bit user space with most operating > systems. So unless you specifically target kernel space and MMU code, you > shouldn't notice much difference. > > But yeah, it's a problem. Not

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 05:16:16AM +, luigi burdo wrote: > talos-secure-workstation > prize $4000 + taxes the mobo without cpu > with 4 core power 8 and gpu prize will be $18.000 > not for my poket ... happy you will have this extras I wish. :) I didn't noticve the $7500 complete desktop syst

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 06:49:36PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Freescale/NXP e500mc based SoCs like P2041 or P4080. Oh yeah. Of course. -- Len Sorensen

Re: Supported Hardware ?

2016-10-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 07:12:02PM +0200, Erik Brangs wrote: > (Non-)Atomicity of access to 32 bit or 64 bit memory words, memory barriers > and implemented floating point instructions. Well for testing the code is right for that stuff, power7 and power8 are the best. They are extremely picky an

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 03:33:32PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > Really Bad news for all us who have a ppc64 hardware, server or emb too. No kidding. My impression from just being on the mailing list was that anyone that tried to step up was told they weren't qualified for some reason. -- Len Sor

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 09:09:56AM -0700, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote: > Is there even a chance for PowerPC to return as a release architecture for > Debian 10 or is that just wishful thinking. Well as pointed out in the meeting, it does not seem any architecture has ever done so. No rule aga

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:45:30PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > I think nobody ever got back.. we got dropped. Are we "dead" ? I don't feel > dead bu apparently we just got declared so. All the nice G3 and G4 > hardware... I am more concerned with the embedded systems still being produced, and

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:00:35PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > and not only Riccardo, > if we count amcc 44x , chrp, Xe and e500,e600 in addition to 32bit and > G5,Power5,6,7 and e5500,e6500 and P6T... > read about this news is a really punch in the stomac for all user,dev and > factory who beliv

Re: Moving powerpc to Debian Ports

2016-11-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:42:50PM +0900, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Since Debian powerpc was recently announced to be removed as a release > architecture, > I would like to formally request to move the port to Debian Ports as there > still seems > to be quite some demand among users [1].

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:13:00PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This actually looks like a bug in upstream configure.ac to me: > VLC_ADD_CFLAGS([libvlccore],[${ac_cv_c_altivec}]) > ALTIVEC_CFLAGS="$ALTIVEC_FLAGS ${ac_cv_c_altivec} ${ac_cv_c_altivec_abi}" > VLC_ADD_CFLAGS([deinterlace],[$

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This doesn't looks wrong to me. > > Note that depending on the software --enable-altivec can either mean > - compile unconditionally for AltiVec, or > - enable AltiVec parts with autodetection to only use them when the > hardware sup

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 12:22:19PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > This doesn't looks wrong to me. > > > > Note that depending on the software --enable-altivec can either mean > > - compile

Re: how to write a pipe "|" ?

2016-11-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 06:09:53PM +0100, Klaus Becker wrote: > all is in the title. > > I could not find neither on the ibook G4 keybord nor on the web. On which layout? Certainly on the US layout, it appears shift plus the key above enter will do it. If you are in france (guessing from your e

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 07:37:33PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:08:03PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 12:22:19PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > >

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:42:17PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well that looks like it only adds it for libvlccore. So at least something like this is needed, but I think the VLCCORE is wrong too, and maybe the deinterlace has to be moved to only merge.c rather than all of deinterl

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 10:52:05AM +0100, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > On 2016-11-03 13:58:58, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:42:17PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Well that looks like it only adds it for libvlccore. > > > > So at least

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 10:41:57AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well it's not the complete solution yet. > > I have it down to only deinterlace being miscompiled (it auto vectorized > Generic* functions with altivec instructions, which is not good). > > At the moment i

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 10:44:21AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > This would of course go much faster if I currently had access to a > powerpc box rather than running in qemu. :) > > I miss the p710 at my previous job. So here is the patch I am currently building. I think i

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
Actually maybe this simpler version is better. I think I just figured out why libdeinterlace wasn't getting the altivec flags, which was that it was listed as deinterlace rather than libdeinterlace. Doing a build test of it now. --- vlc-2.2.4.orig/configure.ac 2016-05-31 12:11:07.0 -0400

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
And of course I made a typo while copying things into the patch. Doing another build test of it now. --- vlc-2.2.4.orig/configure.ac 2016-05-31 12:11:07.0 -0400 +++ vlc-2.2.4/configure.ac 2016-11-04 12:22:02.543265439 -0400 @@ -1422,25 +1422,24 @@ VLC_SAVE_FLAGS AC_CACHE_CHECK(

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 01:33:36PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > And of course I made a typo while copying things into the patch. > > Doing another build test of it now. > > --- vlc-2.2.4.orig/configure.ac 2016-05-31 12:11:07.0 -0400 > +++ vlc-2.2.4/configure.a

Re: Bug#842513: vlc: immediate crash on launch on powerpc

2016-11-14 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 10:00:53PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > I do not understand this part. > > -maltivec should only be set for the code that is behind the runtime > feature check, so this code is only run on hardware that has AltiVec. Well a mistake in the configure script is making it set f

Re: Where is powerpc now?

2016-11-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 01:05:02AM +0100, Matti Palmström wrote: > Since the other day I get > > N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-powerpc/Packages' as > repository 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease' doesn't > support architecture 'powerpc' > > Is this just a te

Re: QEMU ppc64el SIGILL in mkfs

2016-11-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 04:56:03PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > I'm trying to install Debian within qemu-system-ppc64 using > debian-stretch-DI-alpha8-ppc64el-netinst.iso > > Attempting to make a filesystem (either ext4 or btrfs) fails > and dmesg indicates that signal 4 has been caught. > > Is th

Re: QEMU ppc64el SIGILL in mkfs

2016-11-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:18:43AM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:43:49PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Running qemu-system-ppc64 -cpu POWER8 (version 1:2.7+dfsg-3+b1) did not > > fail for me using debian-testing-ppc64el-netinst.iso > > Yes, in

Re: QEMU ppc64el SIGILL in mkfs

2016-11-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:31:55AM -0500, wrote: > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:18:43AM +, Clint Adams wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:43:49PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Running qemu-system-ppc64 -cpu POWER8 (version 1:2.7+dfsg-3+b1) did not > > &g

Re: A few questions about stretch ( testing ) on a PowerMac G5

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 10:23:34AM +0100, Christian Zigotzky wrote: > Hi All, > > Please look here: > http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3491&p=39268#p39268 > > Debian Sid/experimental PowerPC works very well on my AmigaOne X1000 > PowerPC. > > Screenshot: > https://p

Re: Performance difference 32bit/64bit userland

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 06:21:42PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Hi there, > > while preparing other tests I created two installations on two hosts > with identical hardware (LPARs on IBM POWER): > > - powerpc (64 bit kernel, 32 bit userland) > - ppc64 (64 bit kernel, 64 bit userland) > > Both

Re: A few questions about stretch ( testing ) on a PowerMac G5

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 05:28:00PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > Sid ppc32 on X1000 > > Sid spe on A1222 > > i thinnk [😉] OK that makes sense. > What i need to know where to find SID PPC64 distro to test? I have no seen an installer yet for any ppc64. Only ppc64el, which I don't think would wor

Re: yaboot problem? OS won't load after install on a Power Mac G5

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 09:30:37PM +0200, ilko Iliev wrote: > I tried several times installing Debian on a Power Mac G5 machine, each time > I go through the install process without any issues, but once I reboot after > the install the system hangs in a perpetual " Loading second stage > bootstr

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