Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-29 Thread Davide Bertola
ok, i had no time to follow the mailing list, can someone post news about the progress done ? what is currently supported with 12" pb ? nvidia backlight control ? sleep support ? any other powersaving feature ? (i remeber there were problems switching off unused peripherials souch as bluetooth,

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-10 Thread Guido Guenther
On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 10:54:10AM +0100, Matthias Kirschner wrote: > * Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-10-31 10:48:54 +0100]: > > > > sucks. Does not work on lynx. > > > > Flash sucks but I need it. Some people do it as well. > > Have you tried swf-player? Unfortunately there is still n

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-10 Thread Matthias Kirschner
* Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-10-31 10:48:54 +0100]: > > sucks. Does not work on lynx. > > Flash sucks but I need it. Some people do it as well. Have you tried swf-player? Unfortunately there is still no lynx plugin availible ;) Best wishes, Matze signature.asc Description: Digit

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-08 Thread Mick Weiss
Arne Caspari wrote: Jérôme Marant wrote: Quoting Emanuele Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm not an expert but D-Link dwl-122 works pretty well. Cheap, small, 11Mbit so 802.11b. It seems it's not possible to use another mini-PCI wireless card because apple mini-PCI slot is not standard :(

Re: True state of support for 12' iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread J.Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
I hope people could help and merge different sources in this site with updated info about:* Kernel config * Xserver or Xorg config * Sleep config * USB wireless config * ... Thanks and best regards, > On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 11:15:58AM +0200, Eugen Dedu wrote: >> >> What about creating a Web page

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Guido Guenther
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 05:28:56PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Now, why do some manufacturers refuse to rebuild their non-free drivers for > powerpc at all (Nvidia)? I suspect Apple asked them not to do so; it > can't be for technical reasons ... It can. You don't know how i386 centric their driv

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Guido Guenther
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 05:30:01PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:21:57PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > >> Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrot

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:21:57PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> >> > And non-free sucks even more. It is like admiting that close sou

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> >> Non-free sucks. But non-free drivers is better than no driver at all. > > Pretty much means they play ball and win. As long as they dont realize open > standards and open specification

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Davide Bertola
excuse me.. i have problems with power saving features.. i compiled my own kernel and i use cpufreqd with maximum powersave settings but my powerbook 12 works for about 3 hours on battery power.. here are my settings http://www.dadeb.it/files/Configs/powerbook/config-2.6.7-PowerbookG4-12 http:/

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Jesus Climent
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 02:25:55PM +0100, Guido Guenther wrote: > > Nope even afterwards. What is the worth of a binary driver that only > works on kernel 2.4 (like the modem driver for the pbooks). This really > affects you _after_ buying the hardware. Or an ATI/nVidia/Modem/whatever driver for x

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > Non-free sucks. But non-free drivers is better than no driver at all. Pretty much means they play ball and win. As long as they dont realize open standards and open specifications help them to sell more, non-free keeps on sucking

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Guido Guenther
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:21:57PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > >> > And non-free sucks even more. It is like admiting that close source > >> > drivers > >> > for ATI cards are good

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Enrico Nardi
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:24:24 -0800, Mike Power <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > petition was usefull. http://www.petitiononline.com/BCM4301/petition.html > Signed. Thanks a lot. -- *** .[dot]coma - http://www.dotcoma.org Frammentario, discontinuo, c

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> > And non-free sucks even more. It is like admiting that close source drivers >> > for ATI cards are good enough. Then they dont work on your iBook and people >> > complain. >> >> Non-fr

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-11-01 Thread Guido Guenther
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:48:54AM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > And non-free sucks even more. It is like admiting that close source drivers > > for ATI cards are good enough. Then they dont work on your iBook and people > > complain. > > Non-free sucks. But non-free drivers is better than no dr

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-31 Thread Mike Power
Jérôme Marant wrote: Enrico Nardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:52:00 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There are many. http://petitiononline.com is one

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-31 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 10:48 +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: > Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> > PowerPC laptops are very well supported by Linux, with the small > >> > exception of > >> > some small glitches in the matrix, but x86 laptops suffer the same > >> > simptoms. > >> > >>

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-31 Thread Jérôme Marant
Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 04:52:00PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> > >> > Which sources you base your information on? >> >> There are many. http://petitiononline.com is one of them. I signed twice. > > Check my installation guide for iBook 2.2 and you wi

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-31 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 04:52:00PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > > Which sources you base your information on? > > There are many. http://petitiononline.com is one of them. I signed twice. Check my installation guide for iBook 2.2 and you will see that everything is working here. iBook G4 is

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-31 Thread Jérôme Marant
Enrico Nardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:52:00 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> >> There are many. http://petitiononline.com is one of them. I signed twice. > > I searched the site but couldn't find a peti

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-31 Thread Enrico Nardi
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:52:00 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > There are many. http://petitiononline.com is one of them. I signed twice. I searched the site but couldn't find a petition about Airport. Am I blind or what? :-P Enrico

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-30 Thread Jérôme Marant
Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 05:48:03PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> >> Buying Apple hardware is often a bad choice regarding linux support. I >> bought an iBook 2 years ago because the ratio quality/price was good, but >> these days, there are much nicer

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-30 Thread Jesus Climent
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 11:15:58AM +0200, Eugen Dedu wrote: > > What about creating a Web page (wiki?) for "Linux support on Apple > machines"? http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianOnPowerPC -- Jesus Climent info:www.pumuki.org Unix SysAdm|Linux User #663

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-30 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 05:48:03PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > Buying Apple hardware is often a bad choice regarding linux support. I > bought an iBook 2 years ago because the ratio quality/price was good, but > these days, there are much nicer alternatives in the x86 world. Which sources you

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-29 Thread Arne Caspari
Jérôme Marant wrote: Quoting Emanuele Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm not an expert but D-Link dwl-122 works pretty well. Cheap, small, 11Mbit so 802.11b. It seems it's not possible to use another mini-PCI wireless card because apple mini-PCI slot is not standard :( . On new ibooks (from

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-29 Thread Eugen Dedu
1. Sleep mode. According to [1], sleep doesn't work at all. However, others are not reporting any trouble with it (basically saying everything except the Airport Extreme works fine). Does sleep work on this unit? 2. Video. Not only are there conflicting stories (ranging from "acce

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-29 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting Emanuele Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Graham Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:58:46PM +0100, Sam Halliday wrote: > >>John Goerzen wrote: > ... > >>i can't see this card ever being supported... get a USB one. i'd also be > >>keen to hear recommendations. > > > > Is it possibl

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-29 Thread Emanuele Olivetti
Graham Wilson wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:58:46PM +0100, Sam Halliday wrote: John Goerzen wrote: ... i can't see this card ever being supported... get a USB one. i'd also be keen to hear recommendations. Is it possible to use another mini-PCI card that is supported by Linux instead of

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread John Goerzen
On 2004-10-28, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > These days, people seem to recommend IBM X40 series, but I don't > know if they are cheap enough for you. Yep, nice series. Unfortunately, configured the same as an ibook for the things that mat

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:58:46PM +0100, Sam Halliday wrote: > John Goerzen wrote: > > 3. The Airport Extreme. Everybody agrees that it doesn't work now. > >Some people are saying there are projects to reverse engineer it. > >But I've never found any solid info on any of these projects. >

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 13:37 +, John Goerzen wrote: > Hello, > > I am considering purchasing a new 12" iBook from Apple. The intent is > to use this with Debian. However, in researching the state of support > for this unit, I've found wildly contradictory information. So I'm > wondering if s

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread Sam Halliday
John Goerzen wrote: > 1. Sleep mode. According to [1], sleep doesn't work at all. However, >others are not reporting any trouble with it (basically saying >everything except the Airport Extreme works fine). Does sleep work >on this unit? it looks like benh has just started work on t

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread Jérôme Marant
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Buying Apple hardware is often a bad choice regarding linux >> support. I bought an iBook 2 years ago because the ratio quality/price >> was good, but these days, there are much nicer alternatives in >> the x86 world. > > Perhaps you have a recommendatio

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread John Goerzen
On 2004-10-28, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hello, >> >> I am considering purchasing a new 12" iBook from Apple. The intent is >> to use this with Debian. However, in researching the state of support >> for this unit, I've found wildly

Re: True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > I am considering purchasing a new 12" iBook from Apple. The intent is > to use this with Debian. However, in researching the state of support > for this unit, I've found wildly contradictory information. So I'm > wondering if someone could

True state of support for 12" iBook G4

2004-10-28 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, I am considering purchasing a new 12" iBook from Apple. The intent is to use this with Debian. However, in researching the state of support for this unit, I've found wildly contradictory information. So I'm wondering if someone could help clear this up for me. 1. Sleep mode. According