for helping out on the powerpc
port, so i could also give a hand on
the powerpc toolchain. I don't have a powerpc board handy right now though, and
since i am no more DD, i don't know upto
what point i can get acces to a developer board (or who to ask).
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On Mon, De
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:58:25PM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
> On 2013-10-14 10:06, Sven Luther wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> I don't know upto what point you are familiar with my history and its
> >>> link to the powerpc
> >>> port, but it pains m
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:11:56PM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
> On 2013-10-06 16:25, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Hi Niels,
> >
>
> Hey,
>
> (Dropping -devel and -ports in exchange for -powerpc; sounded like you
> weren't subscribed to -powerpc, so direct CC for yo
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> Hi,
>
> The final results are in:
>
> Summary table:
> Arch || DDs || NMs/DMs || Other || Total
> ---++-++-++---++--
> armel || 3 |
e behind us, and all go back to happily coding
for the best of the debian distribution we love and are proud of.
Sad that this continues to this day, and that all those debian
developers who say "they are the only ones that count" cannot understand
nothing but menaces and censor
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:00:29AM +0200, xavier grave wrote:
> Le mardi 21 août 2007 à 13:28 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 01:25:32PM +0200, xavier grave wrote:
> > > Le mardi 21 août 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > > Hi,
those
haters who are unable to communicate and have no single clue about
solving social problems.
This will probably mean no ps3 support and no efika support in debian,
even though i am currently doing the work for this support.
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; decided to remove Sven Luther from the kernel project.
And whyever that ? Do you have a single reason for this action ?
> The problems between Sven and the remain of the team did not decrease in
Can you tell me what those problems are ?
> the last months. He decided to ignore a Nack on
; > hour or two, it will either ICE or not.
>
> OK I'll do that right now.
Cool, thanks.
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 01:25:32PM +0200, xavier grave wrote:
> Le mardi 21 août 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > Hi, ...
> >
> > I ask for volunteers to help investigate the bug
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a debian unstable 32 bits (dual 1GHz G4) here at
or
normalization of this mess, despite my continuous good will and appeals
at conciliation.
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> making progress and that's far better than being stuck with a mis
> configured AIX system. Thanks for that valuable bit of information. One
> step closer.
If you provide the kernel patches or configuration you applied, we could
aply them to the de
it out ? Did you file a bug report ?
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econd disk with ext3. I sure wish I'd done all this before
> rebooting.
>
> Anyways, I need to know what to put on the PReP partition and how to get
> it there. Am I even close?
not really. We need more information about your setup though to help you
more clearly.
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On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:12:54PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 12:03:41AM +1000, Nigel O'Brian wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to install from Debian Testing netinst iso on an old
> > Powerbook G4 using the 'hd-media' kernel, initr
reluctant to
> claim a bug. But I do see some earlier reports of installation
> problems with libc and wonder if this is related.
I am seeing the same problem with todays netboot image, so i suggest you
file a bug report against d-i or something. I suppose that the current
d-i are built with an incompatible libc or an mklibs problem.
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os in them, at least not the cheapest you can find.
Maybe finding a card which is mac compatible will help there, not sure,
i will have to investigate and do some testing.
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ivers/input/serio/i8042.ko):
> No such device
>
>
> did this only happened to me?
> i'd better re-install?
You don't need serio/i8042 on an ibook. It will break prep/chrp/pegasos
though.
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bunch of
libraries installed. So, i am unsure if you can go down to 1.3GB or not.
Maybe you should just install a base system first, and then install xfce
by hand ?
Also remember to count some disk space for swap space.
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use, and i suppose that BootX can boot your old kernel, but it
is good to have a pair of miboot d-i images handy for rescue purpose or
something.
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:21:36AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > - i was expulsed from debian on Frans Pop's request a few months ago,
> > when the ban started.
>
> [etc, etc, etc]
>
> The ban on -powerp
e if we can work around
those political hurdles. Please show that you can also provide positive
and constructive comments, and not just political rants, and participate
in that other thread.
/me is amazed how so many people ask me to not mention the ugly politcal
aspects, and engage in political ran
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:23:28AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > You are joking, right ? Frans did not leave anything, he still rules
> > unopposed on d-i.
> [...]
>
> Whoah, whoah, whoah, take it somewhere else. This is exact
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:21:36AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > - i was expulsed from debian on Frans Pop's request a few months ago,
> > when the ban started.
>
> [etc, etc, etc]
>
> The ban on -powerp
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 12:06:57PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Selon Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:57:18AM +0200, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> > > But...
> > > Sven, I think it would be better to let the story rest in
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:49:52PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:05:41AM +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> >
> > In both cases, the main point is work force, people interested in
> > contributing, and able to give some of their time for it.
>
&g
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:05:03AM +, Cord Beermann wrote:
> Hallo! Du (Sven Luther) hast geschrieben:
>
> > Given that it was Frans Pop who started all this, that he was the one
> > asking for my expulsion from debian (which debian's leadership agreed
> > to), i
want to work with me, despite being incapable of actually
replacing the work i had done. So i ask for understanding and to accept
my apologizes if i have inconvenienced you.
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:57:18AM +0200, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 12:57:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > > We just lifted the ban on Sven Luther on this list.
> > Thanks,
>
> Yes, great! :)
>
> > > As you might see in the A
On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:43:01PM +, Cord Beermann wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Debian - Listmaster
> X-message-Flag: Outlook : A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too.
>
> Hi.
>
> We just lifted the ban on Sven Luther on this list.
Th
omends,
this is not what the PowerPC linux experts recomend.
> >If apt-get is called with the linux32 tool, does it suppress
> >cross-compiling ?
>
> No. You still don't have a fully 32-bit system.
> You need an emulator for that.
Powerpc is perfectly able to run 32 bit c
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 08:54:46PM +0200, Mich Lanners wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On 24 May, this message from Sven Luther echoed through cyberspace:
> > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 01:16:24AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 24 2007, at 00:27 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiff
On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 07:17:44PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> Powerbook5,7 [ ... ]
> Reply-To:
> In-Reply-To:
> X-Spoken-Languages: en, de
> X-URL: http://www.wolfgangpfeiffer.com
>
> Hi Sven, Hi All
>
> On Thu, May 24 2007, at 07:27 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
er did his job correctly, or use the
rescue menu item.
If the d-i folk had not been so much preocuped with their witch-hunt,
this kind of problems would not be happening.
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disk powered from only the
USB connector *CANNOT* work.
> And yes: the digikam and the cellphone can be connected/mounted to
> this alubook ... :)
Because they are less power hungry.
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> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:50:45 +0200
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The USB specs mention 0.5 A at 5V, so around 2.5W. This is not eno
remember well.
Just get yourself an enclosure which provide both USB and firewire, and
use the firewire one on your mac.
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On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 04:46:04PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Fri, May 18, 2007 at 07:37:07AM +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> >
> > Do you know what exactly is causing this problem ? Or could you list the
> > 140 packages which you already detected to be proble
has gotten a serie of patches
applied to some packages for his pure-64 effort. I wonder if this effort
helps in this case, or causes problems.
Do you know what exactly is causing this problem ? Or could you list the
140 packages which you already detected to be problematic ?
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On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 09:53:06AM +, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:00:09 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > Just make sure you have a debian-installer media ready before you do the
> > try.
>
> Downloaded, just in case.
>
> Anyway the package gr
ough i
never tried it.
> Is there anyone who tried it instead of yaboot? Is it safe to install?
> Are there any particular precautions, other than read the docs that come
> with the package?
It used to work two years ago when i tried it on my pegasos, not sure
how it has evolved since t
now separated the threads
> accordingly. Good luck to Voltaire in his trip.
>
> Le Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:45:59AM +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 06:34:31PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > >
> > > But I have another concern. In my experi
I am trying to do this, but due to my low level, I do not know
> when I will succeed. Feel free to overtake me !
As said, ubuntu does this regularly since years.
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On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:02:26AM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:30:55AM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> > > Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > > > Ok, where is the debian powerpc64 machine, which is needed for th
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:30:55AM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > Ok, where is the debian powerpc64 machine, which is needed for the
> > > > multiarch powerpc port ?
> > >
> > > Where is the official multiarch powerpc por
do with those powerpc64 machines
> discussed in this thread.
Mmm, i may be wrong, but the subject still is :
Subject: Re: PowerPC buildd is looking for a new home
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On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:27:01AM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > But basically, you are telling me that i should take my server, and fork
> > debian. Well, i guess given how i have been handled lately, i am
> > seriously considering this. The debia
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:31:22AM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > > The DSA team does not add random machines. There is no ppc64 port,
> > > there is no need for ppc64 machines, there are powerpc build daemons
> > > and there's a powerpc por
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 08:25:18PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > But the DSA team have refused to even consider those augsbourg machines,
> > probably because they where overloaded, and unwilling to share the work,
> > a bit like it is happening with t
ware was proposed, but ignored or rejected.
I myself have a dual G5 XServe machine online at a datacenter a
kilometer from my home, which could be used as a buildd, but i have been
suspended, and seen as the devil incarnate by those in power, so ...
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On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:19:26PM +0800, William Xu wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 01:18:01PM +0800, William Xu wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> In order to get airport extreme working, i just built linux-
the actual kernel.
Maybe you have a dangling symlink or something ?
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On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:22:27AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 20 2007, at 23:04 +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:42:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 23:08 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > >
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 12:35:58PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> Hi All
>
> On Fri, Apr 20 2007, at 22:46 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:42:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:42:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> Hi All
>
> On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 23:08 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 05:40:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 15:05 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 05:40:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 15:05 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:03:22PM +0200, Gottfried Scheckenbach wrote:
> > > Hello to all,
> >
> > This is the wrong list to h
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:03:22PM +0200, Gottfried Scheckenbach wrote:
> Hello to all,
This is the wrong list to handle installer related issues. The right way
is to send an installation report to the BTS. or at least cross post to
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pping disks let me take the 'hdparm -T'
> number to the PB?
The slow one, the faster one is just a measurement of the speed of the memory
cache, which is unless i am wrong the main memory.
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as you would think.
You need a special star-shaped screw-drivers, and there is some nice
instruction manual on apple's web site.
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simply filled bug reports.
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which are from etch seem to be in a constant state of disarray. (unless of
> course someone has fixed them)
There may still be some working floppies at :
http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i.
I was asked to remove that old archive, but it would be interesting to save
those variants that sti
find where they are!
> The Mozilla site only seems to know about Linux on Intel.
They are neatly debian packaged, but because of some stupid trademark dispute
with mozilla, debian was forced to change the name of firefox to iceweasel if
we wanted to be able to offersecurity support and other such.
imitation. fbdev
> doesn't do anything either but the Cirrus gpu - removed BIOS chip from
> the card - that is in in right now works with cirrusfb at least on the
> terminal.
>
> If you plan to run X too and get it working, I would be overjoyed to
> hear how. :)
You coul
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:00:09PM +0100, Christian Walther wrote:
> On 02/03/07, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:26:29AM +0100, Christian Walther wrote:
> >> Hi list,
> >>
> [...]
> >
> >Cool, you used an etch
to see that what you
did is well documented, and submit a bug report if there are troubles, or even
a patch ?
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On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 12:14:09AM +0100, Matthias Koch-Schirrmeister wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 20:49 schrieb Sven Luther:
>
> > you somehow don't get prep-installer, please fill a bug report.
>
> I'm considering that, but first I want to make sure that th
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:59:18PM +0100, Matthias Koch-Schirrmeister wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 09:56 schrieb Sven Luther:
> > Last post here except one, due to my self-imposed ban asked by Fabio's
> > mediation attempt.
>
> Let's hope this will be sorted
st a few stubborn
people in key position, who have something against me personally, but they
also were not able to find a replacement for me, despite strong words of
people like Holger.
No more mails now, but i wanted to clarify that me being silent for 2 months
on the lists doesn't necessarily m
please reply to the
post above, so others will see it to, and maybe feel ashamed about their
handling of this problem.
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ler is not being run on your box, including the /proc/cpuinfo
output.
> I admit that I'm a i386 sissy, clearly I'm doing something wrong here. Or
> maybe it's just a misunderstanding of the firmware syntax? Im really puzzled.
Nope, it is just that you need to boot from a PReP partition.
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the problem ? And also provide output of dmesg
and the content of /var/log/syslog ? Preferably the last lines after inserting
an usb device.
This may be related to udev breakage i have been seeing recently.
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rea. This is
in big part due to the fact that powerpc is mostly a mainstream arch today,
and most issues have been solved long ago.
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On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 10:34:29AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:47 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >
> >Terrasoft {YellowDog Linux}
>
> >
> >They are selling non-ppc apple though.
>
>
> Don't you mean "non-Apple ppc&quo
the playstation III kernel
patches into it, or the cell-targetting toolchain for that matter.
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> >
> > Roger Leigh
> > Alexander Wirt
> > Sven Luther
> > Michel Daenzer
> > Colin Watson
> > Mark Brown
> > Holger Levsen
> >
> > Given the rumors powerpc would be dead, I suggest to name them all :)
>
> Hi all,
>
>
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:05:46AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi Sven,
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >What is really needed is for confirmation with the current kernels
> >that :
> >
> > 1) miboot booting works (or not).
y to script creation of parttions on apple new world machines ?
Please use parted or any libparted based frontend (qtparted, gparted,
gnu-fdisk, d-i's partman).
Most distros use such a solution.
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t? Is it possibly a debian bug?
Motorola Powerstack II works fine with sarge. The CD install method is not
supported though, but the netboot install is needed.
You need to download the /powerpc/netboot/vmlinuz-prep.initrd,
put it on your tftp server and netboot it with : boot
enet:,vmlinuz-prep.ini
us what
works and what doesn't. And file a bug report against the kernel packages
(linux-2.6, title prefaced [powerpc,oldworld]).
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On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 11:21:53PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Friday 15 December 2006 21:37, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Notice that the 2.6 sarge d-i image had a bug which was later fixed in the
> > etch/sid version. It has to do with calling mkvmlinuz i think,
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 11:21:53PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Friday 15 December 2006 21:37, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Notice that the 2.6 sarge d-i image had a bug which was later fixed in the
> > etch/sid version. It has to do with calling mkvmlinuz i think,
ce that the 2.6 sarge d-i image had a bug which was later fixed in the
etch/sid version. It has to do with calling mkvmlinuz i think, instead of
simply gzipping it by hand.
Holger, can you backport the little change from the sid branch, this should
fix it.
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n etch cd
> with amdk111 support?
Is it included in the 2.6.18 kernels currently present in debian/sid and
debian/etch ? If not, this is probably an error. Can you provide me with the
CONFIG option to set, and i will enable it in the next build of the kernel
packages, which will add official suppo
ther busy with RL work, so please ask this on debian-boot instead. In
general it is best to cross post these questions to debian-powerpc &
debian-boot.
Wouter, Frans and Holger are those more involved in those matters, and thus
make sure they get involved.
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fscked up my drives. Never had a problem with JFS despite
> many power failures.
We made the choice for EXT3 ourselves, since it is the only filesystemm which
can be grown online and shrinked offline, and reiserfs is not really a
solution.
JFS/XFS can be grown online, but not shrinked, so
On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:52:13AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:06, Sven Luther wrote:
> [#397942]
> > > If this is correct, this bug can be closed. Is it correct?
> > The bug should be retitled and reassigned to initramfs-tool
times,
to load the fan control modules ? At worst, you can load the same modules as
is done in d-i.
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 01:53:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 05:48:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 11:03:41AM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> > > > Hi fellow debian-powerpc users,
> > > > Once more, some infl
comment on :
#397973: [powerpci/mac] partman-md appears to not write back the raid flag
to partitions.
Maybe it would be worth to raise the severity of this bug, but i can hardly do
this, or i will be seen as whiner who ups the severity of his pet bugs, can i
ask you to have a look at them ?
e only reason I care about this info in the release notes for RC1, is to
> have this issue solved (by documenting a workaround) in etch as well. In
> unstable it's fixed.
You did notice that i did mention that fact in the reply to frans call for
review on the RC1 erratas, right ?
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 04:16:42PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:30, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > #394970: finish-install: [powerpc64] Add support for IBM serial
> > I didn't, because
>
> [1, 2 & 3 - basically
to build in the past in
my experience, altough i haven't done this for some time now, and it may be
fixed.
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:17:07PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
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>
> On Sunday 26 November 2006 15:09, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > currently shiping powerpc hardware are :
> > > > IBM pseries : not really supported, patch sitting without comment
> > &g
of attilio, eddy, and others from this
list, but still graphical d-i will not be officially included in etch d-i for
etch. Maybe you could give a hand with those issues ? Or those others you
mentioned ?
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h that tell people how to manually turn the fans silent.
it has them, and i added the info about this issue to the message of frans
asking for info for the erratas, i don't know if in the end it was added or
not, i know frans decided to remove some of my errata entries.
Friendly,
the work.
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gt;
> How to enable the server mode ?
On the XServe it is :
echo server_mode=1 >/proc/pmu/options
but needs to be redone on every reboot.
(Thanks to benh for giving me this info in the first place).
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> Absent this, powerpc users can only file 'this is broken' bugs. Should be
> done anyway, IMO.
Yeah, but if i don't fix them, who will, like :
#397973: [powerpci/mac] partman-md appears to not write back the raid flag
to partitions.
Open since 16 days, and not a single comment on it.
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your version when filing bug reports against
> stock powerpc d-i. Maybe that will get someone's attention. A rising
> number of bug reports stating 'broken in d-i but works fine with Sven's
> build' could convince those of more rational leaning.
Yep, but i would need to for
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