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I'll second it, but please first figure out how we're going to make
the transition. Mass bug reporting, lintian test, announce on
-devel-announce, warning from mandb or what?
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There's a slight difference in the components.
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lenames when ar is used but not when dpkg-deb is used. This seems
to be unimportant, however.
> Hopefully, this will not lead to a removal of dpkg-dev from the
> "build-essential" list.
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Thanks. Will be fixed in next commit.
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Do
-* package maintainers, but has the desired
function.
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ut I don't want to
put in the effort to make the changes at this point.
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ermore, it
makes no sense for the issue to be talked about in two different
places, either.
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On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 08:51:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:14:36AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > (3) Rewrite policy so that it's more comprehensible: its ordering
> > (merger of policy + packaging) is really hard work.
> > When I&#x
ntainers should mess with this part of CVS" or by making
> dak/dinstall look at the actual contents of the latest task- packages).
> I suspect using CVS'll be easier and at least as good though.
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cases and the rest of them, but I've no idea what it
should say. Does anyone have any ideas?
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containing a Tasks: field in place of Depends and Recommends fields.
> And while we're at it, we could implement Reverse-Suggests too, and
> finally satisfy RMS..
What about "Enhances"? Or is it not yet up to it?
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, though
> currently the --force-overwrite flag is enabled by default,
> downgrading the error to a warning,
The CVS version no longer has the part "though currently ..." as this
is not currently true.
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> but unfortunately they seem to have been lost :( )
You can always keep the old changelogs in the source package only.
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:30:08AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 14, Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >You can always keep the old changelogs in the source package only.
> We have archive.debian.org for the old things. As long as the entries
&g
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:33:24AM -0500, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Wow! Thanks Anthony!
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. But I'm not ready to do this yet (time constraints).
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ion 2.4.2 says /should/:
Yes, policy is currently riddled with such inconsistencies. It's a
significant bug that needs sorting out over the next 3-6 months. I
have a gameplan, but am not yet ready to work on it.
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On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:33:20PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 10:49:28PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:08:01PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> > > > The other is that it's completely wrongh
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:23:44PM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote:
> Note that there is currently no /bin/sh alternative. (why not?)
Technical reasons, AFAIK.
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ment, try "should be compatible with and ideally should
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or help, and received a
small amount of help in the areas I requested from precisely two
people (you being one of them, although apparently not in direct
response to my request).
I agree with all of the above thoughts, but more volunteers are needed
to help them get done quickly.
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> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 09:03:57AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > How about: "must be compatible with and should comply with" the FHS.
> > (Here I'm using RFC meanings of must and should; if this is a
the potential of saving
autobuilders some work in some cases and resolves the
Build-Depends-Indep semantical error.
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ib/ld*.
o A small humorous footnote inserted.
o /var/lock can also refer to non-device lock files.
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pgrading-checklist incorrectly summarizes
> this change when it says:
Corrected in 3.5.5.0 (uploaded yesterday), with a comment in the
3.5.5.0 checklist section about this matter.
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On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 05:51:50PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 02-Jun-01, 17:35 (CDT), Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 01:02:38PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > That is not the intent of policy (I should know; I drafted that
, the
line which defines waiting days is:
my %mindays = ("low" => 10, "medium" => 5, "high" => 2, "critical" => 0);
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iolations}.d.*/sendmail files as well, and no,
> I dont plan to depend upon logcheck.
Great! But you could certainly consider Suggests: logcheck as a
possibility.
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Changed-By: Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Description:
debian-policy - Debian Policy Manual and related documents
Closes: 66023 89473 89674 91249 91252 91257 91259 91260 91261 92744 94995 95906
97072 98712
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From: Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adding device file to /dev.
To: Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Richard Atterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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On Monday 04 J
e of resolving this one soon?
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 12:17:23AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > This inconsistency has only been relevant since testing came into
> > being.
>
> Which is months ago now and still nobody noticed, probably since
> the prioritie
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 12:06:45AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Wichert, Anthony, any chance of resolving this one soon?
>
> For what value of `soon'? Given that noone has noticed that even
> though this inconsistency has been the
reassign 42399 lintian
reassign 65345 lintian
merge 42399 65345
thanks
Now that policy has fixed the shared library issue, lintian can
consider doing the same.
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manual at present, I'm reassigning this bug report back to apt. If it
is regarded as no longer relevant, please feel free to close it.
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> + libraryname-soversion-dev
> + instead.
>
Seconded. This seems eminently reasonable and current practice in the
examples you're referring to.
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er theory, and I think it's also sometimes used in applied
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analysis. I can't think of any other examples offhand, though.
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> version?' prompt. Trying to reduce those prompts seems like a good idea.
>
> Not sure if that is the rationale ...
Yes, it is.
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onfiguration
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distribute a default version that will work for most installations,
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oes /etc/mime-magic.dat get automatically recreated
or do things break if I don't update it manually? And how do I do the
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> >>>> "JG" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> JG> Can I check if I've understood correctly. What happens if I edit
> JG> /etc/mime-magic; does /e
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> This is done for the next release..
Great!
Thank you.
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'cvs diff' will probably be very useful for
tracking any of these small changes. Thanks for your work on this!
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irectory to the PATH. Of course, if an
application is intended to be secure, the PATH should be explicitly
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> On 21-Jun-01, 17:33 (CDT), Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Scripts which use programs in a directory other than /usr/bin and
> > /bin (and /usr/bin/X11?) should append that directory to the PATH
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> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 09:08:10AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
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> >> I'd really like to see the list expanded to include /sbin and /usr/sbin
>
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 07:09:30PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 09:26:20AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> >
> > misconfigured, then that solves his problem. Does the general
> > suggestion retain much value, though?
>
> Personally I don't s
added on. I'm not sure if this is correct usage or not;
if there is any concensus, I'm not at all bothered about changing
every conffiles to conffiles.
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/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL still exists, that's fine.
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NEW: Visit http://www.helpthehungry.org/ to do just that
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I wonder whether it's because the installed library won't be found if
the postinst ldconfig is not run, but an extra dangling symlink or
similar following a remove is not such a problem.
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usd-providing packages agree with
this, they can operate it between themselves. Policy allows for
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:06:24PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:18:20AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > > Is it acceptable to put source files for non-C-related languages
> > > (suc
ts
> > > + +-vhostsFiles relating to virtual hosts
> >
> > Um, it is out of scope for the debian policy group to modify the FHS.
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> Cool. So should this be in policy?
Should what be?
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Visit http://www.th
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 10:06:38PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:56:13PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > > Note to self:
> > > >
> > > > Correct URLs are:
> > > >
> > > > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debia
sub-policies.
Ah, gotcha! Will correct.
Will also do something with the URLs.
But it'll have to wait till woody is released.
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There are some URL errors in the current debian-policy package. Can
we upload a patched version without changing any other content?
Julian
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G.
In principle, I approve of this idea. I haven't had time to think
through the details.
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with other packages.
> >
>
> lync could theoretically be used to dump an html file as plain text during the
> build. Silly, but possible.
In fact, debian-policy does it ;-)
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> network connection and other external hardware."
>
> Is that a good thing?
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to be configured in
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/usr/bin, /usr/share etc
>and would deserve a separate directory like X
Interesting.
> * Some proposed using /opt/kde3. Arguments:
Not as a Debian package. /opt is for third-party software.
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> separate file.
Hi Manoj!
I'm also thinking about radical changes to the layout of policy --
let's talk off-list about it in the first instance.
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> debian-native packages to parsable as debian-style changelogs. Given
Such as?
Also, are you also installing a changelog.Debian.gz in the same
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> > Anthony: will typographical changes such as these be accepted into
> > testing?
>
> Yes. Just make sure it doesn't break stuff.
OK. But i
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> Julian> I'll do it if Anthony gives the go-ahead.
>
> Oh, there are also a few accepted virtual package names tha
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On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 02:30:34PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Part I: The Debian Archive
> > 1: DFSG and the sections of the archive (free, non-free, contrib, non-us)
>
> non-us is a different archive.
I understand; this
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:20:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
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>
> Julian> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 02:30:34PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> >>
> >> Refer to a dpkg reference
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:34:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
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> > Part I: The Debian Archive
> > 1: DFSG and the sections of the archive (free, non-free, contrib, non-us)
>
>
>
old packaging manual, it
introduced the contradictions (oops). I vaguely recall that at that
time, a freeze was effectively placed on substantially rewriting
policy because of the upcoming freeze of woody. We are still in this
freeze period, and both Manoj and I are itching to rewrite the current
spaghe
be
found in the guidelines manual, section 3.4.2.
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of London
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On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 04:02:47AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:19:54PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > > Then each section could either have the structure:
> > > > Policy dictate s
> > > > Discussion, useful information, g
On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:48:28AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:11:46PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:02:50PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > I'm concerned about this because when I tried passing over
> > >
s are considered
build-essential, even though the official definition is that given by
policy.
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of London
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nflicts or dpkg-divert." (And there may well
be other ways out, but I can't think of them offhand. You get the
idea.)
"debian/rules MUST contain the following targets: debian/rules
MAY contain the following additional targets with meanings specified
below: debian/rules MAY co
usr/lib/ subdirectory. And also,
there's need to discuss /usr/share as well, as someone else already
noted.
Julian
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o do it to provide the best for everyone.
Thoughts?
Julian
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atter might be problematic, if we require
debian/rules -q build-arch
to let us know whether a build-arch target exists, as will be required
to make the best use of the build-depends-indep/build-depends split.
Julian
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 01:16:40AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 07:18:45PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Chris Waters wrote:
> > >
> > > or, more simply:
> >
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Love to hear people's thoughts on the matter.
Julian
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