On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 01:21:57PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 04:42:37PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > You wrote:
> >
> > >Programs whose authors encourage the user to make donations are fine
> > >for the main distribution, provi
On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 03:35:08PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 06:14:17PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I propose prepending text like the following to section 4.3.
> >
> > Shared libraries are .so files containing compiled
> >
for ELF binaries. I presume there is no equivalent distinction on
Hurd?
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astava wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This message is about a month old, and I have seen no
> objections. Is there a status update that I just missed in all the
> traffic?
>
> Could I help?
>
> manoj
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> >>"Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[
o in. Just a matter of time, I'm
afraid :-(
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27;t remember which offhand)?
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gine it should read "It is not necessary...".
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licy or
> > the packaging manual (can't remember which offhand)?
>
> Um, the current note in policy manual is not sufficient? (It explicitly
> mentions the package "build-essential".)
I guess. Maybe he didn't look in the right place ;-)
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gt; Can anyone confirm ?
Please ask on -legal.
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whether "enable" should call start-stop-service or start-rc.d or
whatever is debatable.) Then update-rc.d should recognise the
presence of an /etc/rc?.d/D[SK]??service link as also indicating
the presence of pre-existing links, just as it currently does with
/etc/r
On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 08:21:40PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 05:42:16PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > So how about modifying the wording to say:
> >
> > Build-Depends, Build-Conflicts
> > The Build-Depends and Build-Confl
needed for the upgrade.
Does this sound at all reasonable?
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/sbin/named
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month, I would like to reopen
this proposal and second it. As stated, it will not cause any
existing tools to break as the build: target must still remain, but it
may help future autobuilders to do less work.
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, as long
as someone like Wichert or one of the other dpkg developers is
prepared to check it.
I've run out of steam for today. But that's close to 40% checked
through ;-)
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ng or not. If we did, then
restart should mean "restart only if currently running", unless that
is what "maybe-restart" is meant to mean
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>
> If you didn't receive it from debian-devel or debian-policy, I can send it
> directly to you.
Crossed in the mail ;-)
Well done for some great work!
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On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:14:05AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I (very belatedly) second this proposal.
>
> Thanks. I think I have enough seconds now, don't really remember.
>
> > There's one small change I would make though; see be
#x27; implies being a part of something, and those two are not
> a part of the distribution, just part of the FTP site.
Unfortunately, as I posted yesterday, the policy packaging manual
still has it wrong: they should not be mentioned in that section at
all (they never end up in the Distribution: fiel
ht. But anyway, stuff in footnotes isn't a policy error.
But it's still wrong and confusing.
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translating for the file-rc
package. Shall we call it start-rc.d or start-stop-service?
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preferabily "foo-1.2.3.orig" but can be really just about anything.
> dpkg-source takes care of renaming the unpack directory to the correct name.
Doesn't even need to unpack into a single directory.
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On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:54:35PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi,
> >>"Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Julian> We should have a c++-compiler virtual package to match the c-compiler
> Julian> package. At present,
ure
> alternatives.
OK, you've convinced me. But now, what should I Recommend when I want
to recommend a C++ compiler? g++, because it's the only one we have,
or c++-compiler, given that it is already Provided by g++?
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> countries
Assuming that the legalities are OK (IANAL), I second this proposal.
It will certainly clean up some messy stuff (eg enabling fetchmail ssl
mode).
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Surely even if the license is DFSG-free, the software would have to
live on non-us if the algorithm is patented?
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> algorithm.
>
> on the other hand, charging $5 for every execution of Julian Sort would be in
> the category mentioned in the paragraph above. this program would have to be
> in non-us.
Ah, now I understand. Thank you. Could we word things a little more
clearly perhaps? Any sugge
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that it should be an optional package; there's no reason for
policy to be installed on a default system. What do others think?
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that it does exist. Shall try to do
so.
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recall there being one in the 2.1
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>
> Even worse: IIRC the owner of a file can chmod it to his or her
> heart's content, and this is standard Unix semantics. It could be
> mode 000 for all Linux cares.
Yup.
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upload a version minus the policy aspects in the meantime?
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was generated from the
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> thinking hard enough though :)
Because then files created by it would be owned by the user running
the process, which might not be what you want.
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Bug #62069 was closed with dpkg 1.7. This is just a reminder how this nice
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be really amusing sometimes ... ;)
What do people think of this suggestion (s/may/MUST/)?
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uld be
> used:
>
> rmdir /usr/local/lib/emacs/site-lisp || true
> rmdir /usr/local/lib/emacs || true
I've changed the (now policy) docs in CVS to use your second suggestion.
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The manual simply says to be
> sure not to call it for the upgrade case.
So should it be called in the pre/postrm scripts in a remove/purge
scenario? Any experts out there?
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7;re right. What's the best way of correcting this? Manoj?
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or meant here. I suspect 'in are' is transposed and
> should 'are in'.
I've made that change, but it's still not a particularly good
sentence. Will have to rewrite it at some point.
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On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:48:41AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 10:43:09AM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote:
> > > Probably it should be clearly stated in policy that the cron.*
> > > scripts may be quiet if no errors are encoun
equate? Do you have to describe any minimal functionality or
command line? (That's a question from ignorance; I'm not a Java
user/developer.)
Maybe someone from debian-java can answer this, and then we can put
this in the virtual packages list.
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installation and removes the links!
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this proposal.
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laces the package being
installed. This is so that you can install an older
version of a package without problems.
> -- quote
> Their semantics is that the dependencies and conflicts
> -- end quote
> semantics is plural, the 'is' should be 'are'.
OK.
that they require certain binary packages to be installed...'
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is an arbitrary
choice AFAIK.
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On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:29:33PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote:
> Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > During the run-up to a release, will "testing" become "frozen", or
> > will we have four versions: stable, frozen, testing (continuously
> > changing), unstable?
m. Maybe you're right. Whatever.
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On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 01:46:46PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> >>>>> "Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Julian> On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:04:24PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> >> What is the benefit of this new frozen
al.
I'm not convinced by this model, though. It should work if we ensure
that
(a) Major packages are installed into testing before the freeze, and
(b) People believe that the next freeze is not going to be another 18
months away.
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:23:04AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 12:57:53PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Why suddenly change the model like this?
>
> The model's already changed: we went from
>
> stable
> frozen (tempor
two randomly selected examples of software which has been
superceded. Maybe there should be an appendix with such
information, but it's not so useful unless it's kept up to date.
That's all of my significant comments on chapters 1 and 2.
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> On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:19:36PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > 1.1 Comparison of must, should, may with bug severities: at present,
>
> may -> wishlist; should -> minor/normal/important; must -> serious
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 12:10:38AM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> >
> > But surely there are lots of other such obsolete constructs and
> > libraries; we really need a programmer's guide for such thi
sgml, is it?
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On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +0100, Arthur Korn wrote:
> Joey Hess schrieb:
> > Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 10:43:09AM +0200, Arthur Korn wrote:
> > > > Probably it should be clearly stated in policy that the cron.*
> > >
without expert guidance.
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 07:49:34AM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote:
> * Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010220 07:29]:
> > Good. How about something like "cron.* scripts should not produce any
> > non-error output in general. An exception may be made if the
> > inte
ug reports if the cron
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3.1.0.0 according to the changelog.
I might clarify the checklist on this point.
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I've noticed it too, and will be in the large batch of typos and
rewordings/small-scale rewritings I am currently working on.
Thank you for reporting it.
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ps.
So only i386 would be ignored, and the m68k spec is irrelevant.
Nevertheless, policy should certainly discourage this confusing
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/etc/init.d? I prefer the former.
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debian-policy a while ago and which was never meant for verbatim
> inclusion in the policy manual, For example the example it uses is not
> current anymore.
Yes, it's in my (paper) list of corrections.
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 02:40:24PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On 20010225T141840+0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > On 20010225T014140+0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies
> > > (i
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 12:59:14PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I want to see the diff to policy. It's possible to wreck this whole
> > thijng with careless wording.
>
> 2.4.2. Package relationships
>
>
> -Source packages shou
packages do, as has been explained."
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 03:26:08PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On 20010225T131051+0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Of course, with the question of empty dependency lists, there's a
> > problem
>
> Indeed, and I'd like that to be explicitly addressed s
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:29:12AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > This has now been seconded twice; it should have its status changed to
> > "accepted" and I guess that the sysvinit and file-rc packages should
> > ha
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:16:56AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 12:59:14PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > But Anthony does have a good point, though.
>
> ...which I'm still not sure people are grokking.
>
> Here's some more explanation:
utomatically
copied to -policy, so that this doesn't get discussed on three mailing
lists.
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t I'm not sure whether people will
reply to all of the lists as well :-(
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(>= 2.1.3-13), or on
base-files (>= 2.2.0), or on later versions of either one of these
packages.
Comments, seconds anyone?
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g a MUST now.
Does anyone have any ideas about if and how this should be stated in
policy, or whether we just write the target in policy and have a list
of transitional states separately?
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relationships.
And just to let people know, there are precisely zero packages in
unstable which will be affected by this change.
Julian
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s distinct from the question of packages considering the
directive and actively *deciding* not to follow the policy.
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; would be solved if and when something particular and measurable happens.
Very nice idea. Can we use [ON HOLD] instead?
Julian
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ot currently enabled; this sentence should
be removed.
6.6: A little more info about updating the conffiles would be wise
here.
That's enough for today!
Julian
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binary-indep.
The Build-Depends and Build-Conflicts should probably also apply to
build-indep, just as they apply to binary-indep.
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t was reached due to
various exceptions.
Josip: do you fancy updating your proposal to take account of the
exceptions, and then I'll second it?
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary,
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> Package: debian-policy
> Version: 3.5.2.0
> Severity: wishlist
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> Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies
> (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...)
I just checked: in policy 3.1.1.1, they we
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short
> shell script or another interpreted script, as long as it works.
Let debian/rules just call them, then.
Julian
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e package to use some other mechanism, then should we forbid
it? It would make NMU's potentially much harder, and I pity the
package's future maintainer, should there be one.
Julian
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to be an upstream devel as
well). Maybe I should up the severity to RC for the time being?
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