Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.9.8.0
Severity: normal
Tags: patch
As invoke-rc.d is now (in stretch) in an essential package, I propose
simplifying the script example in policy to remove the test for its
existence (debhelper already does this):
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On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 07:29:48PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I agree that we should probably add /usr/share/common-licenses to the
> default motd. Currently, we say:
>
> The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free
> software; the exact distribution terms for each pr
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 01:26:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Julian Gilbey writes:
>
> > Just a straw poll: who sees /etc/motd these days? My system (probably
> > in common with many many users) boots into a graphical environment; I
> > only see the motd in the
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> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [1 ] (major crosspost)
> > Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> >> See my other mail to this list -- this is what release quite
> >> happily does, and its man page doesn&#x
appear to be any replies at the time. I intend to make
the required changes to the relevant scripts over the next few days,
so if we could reach a decision on this point, it would be great.
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(See bug#29408.)
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. Get a security expert
to check out this idea first, of course -- I don't claim any real
expertise in this field yet.
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> On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 11:41:09PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > An example of a package which already does almost exactly the same is
> > the secure-su package, which diverts the standard su to
> > /bin/su.orig/su or something like that, making /bin/su.orig mod
of
policy.
Thanks,
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-g followed by strip is at least
as small as using neither. So my concerns are unfounded.
Thanks for the explanation,
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r severity to fixed based on the content of the two
fields. I have handwritten patches to dinstall and the dpkg-dev
scripts to handle this change, which I could type up and mail if it's
wanted.
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ed. I don't
think more indications are really necessary.
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> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > I would suggest actually having both in the .changes file, then
> > dinstall could decide whether to close bugs or change their severity
> > to fixed based on the content of the two fields. I have handwritten
> &
hanges. In this way it is obvious to anyone
looking at the .changes file, e.g., on the -changes lists, that the
Maintainer and builder differ.
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e current mess, which is neither FSSTND nor FHS compliant?
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> On Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 12:10:40AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I submitted the following bug report a while ago, and Manoj has just
> > closed it as we have not yet agreed to go with the FHS.
> [..]
>
> Then obviously we need to agree to move toward it. Many k
o Ian Jackson IIRC.
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close to useless).
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> Feel free to forward this message if you think it is useful.
>
> Ulf
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g report.
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> Adopt the FHS in place of FSSTND (#37345)
> * Stalled.
> * Proposed on 09 May 99 by Julian Gilbey; seconded by Joseph Carter,
> Aaron Van Couwenberg and Marco d'Itri.
> * Modify policy to require use of the FHS, with possible exceptions.
> ( A new version
time!
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posals
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> Automatic installation and configuration
> * Under discussion.
So these are all [PROPOSAL]s, right?
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= non-free?
These accepted policy ammendments may well push up the minor policy
number: here's to Standards-Version: 2.6.0.0!
Julian
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working together would
satisfy this condition.
I recommend closing this policy-change request.
Julian
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ed in favour of links from /etc/rcS.d to files in
/etc/init.d as described in section 3.3.1. No packages may place
files in /etc/rc.boot.
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I second this proposal with the "all" amendment.
Julian
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If not, we can probably just do away with it.
Whichever way, though, we should think about this and do something:
either close this bug report or remove nawk from the system.
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p-daemon
Status: Proposal
36619 Specify what is allowed in the PAGER variable
Status: Proposal
And fixed bug #22308 can be closed.
Phew!
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t does -- see the rest of this bugreport for
details.)
I second this proposal.
Julian
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retitle 21585 [PROPOSED] /etc/init.d/
ebian-policy.
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proposal?
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(sync, games, man) to
the correct behaviour.
So I oppose this proposal and suggest that we should reassign this bug
back to base-passwd.
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would absolve the need to make changes
to policy just because the FHS changes its paragraphing at some stage.
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I'm not
currently subscribed, else I would. (Maybe I should be, as I proposed
the FHS move?!)
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> Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Does anyone expect there to be a nawk program? If so, this suggestion
> > is moot. If not, we can probably just do away with it.
>
> Debian currently has five nawk scripts:
>
> /usr/sbin/mk-accessdb and /usr/sbin/mk-relaydb in sharc
>
7;s recent postings about the use of the BTS to facilitate
tracking proposals, and also perhaps a pointer to Joey's weekly policy
summary page.)
Julian
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> On debian-policy, Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What is the status of accepted policy amendments which have not yet
> > been incorporated into policy?
> >
> > In other words, is it OK to announce the move to FHS on
> > -devel-announce
is it important, should we not be
> restarting stuff out of order?
I would guess not; these are not facilities being restarted but newly
installed ones. If there is a desperate problem with this, it should
be dealt with by a Depends: mechanism or the like.
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gt; Just a quote:
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> 4. Noone but the maintainer of a package (or someone acting on their
> request) should close its bug reports.
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> On 30-May-99 Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > retitle 21585 [PROPOSED] /etc/init.d/
> At 14:48 +0100 1999-05-30, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> >I second this, and propose that the section should be reworded as
> >follows:
> >
> >3.3.4. Boot-time initialisation
> >---
> >
> > There used to be another direc
, and that the sooner we start, the better, for it will
definitely hold up the freeze.
Should we, however, wait for policy version 3.0.0.0 to be released
officially by Manoj before we announce?
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calls nawk from within a shell script?
You're right, it would be nice to standardise every invocation of
(n)awk to actually call awk, but it is not particularly useful or
worthy of developers' time.
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> On Sun, 30 May 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > I checked through the current version of policy, and FSSTND is
> > mentioned in several places. They all appear to be trivially
> > replaceable by the corresponding references to the FHS. [...]
>
> Maybe this is no
be changed officially as policy would
> dictate (fine, it would dictate itself how it would change itself, but
> that's fine; governments work that way, we can as well) ;-)
I'd second having it a part of policy, but only if Manoj proposes it:
until he's happy with it becoming poli
policy up with a
> lot of baggage new maintainers need not read. A pointer is quite sufficient.
Same question as emacs mini-policy. Whether it has the weight of
policy is not the same as whether it is included directly in the
policy document or not.
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les in /etc without permission from the person installing. In the
case of xntp3 (as was), this was achieved by only creating it if it
was not present, and only making local modifications after doing so if
the user agreed to this. The scripts never modified the configuration
files without the exp
> On Sun, 30 May 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > > Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > If not, should we clearly write in policy that hardlinks to conffiles
> > > > should be avoided wherever possible?
> >
> > Please could
> On Mon, 31 May 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > Now that we have a "fixed" priority in the developers-reference (this
> > is not in policy itself), can this proposal be closed?
>
> Well, what I would like to see is a general policy about bugs, cover
> Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Now that we have a "fixed" priority in the developers-reference (this
> > is not in policy itself), can this proposal be closed?
>
> Your quote is not sufficient for me to decide.
My quote was the entire bug report (except for signatures)
> On Mon, 31 May 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > However, since every awk in the system is always a new awk and it is
> > > always available as awk, we could standarise the expectations and declare
> > > that every time a p
> On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
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> > Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > Well, what I would like to see is a general policy about bugs, covering
> > > all aspects of bug reporting, forwarding, severitying and closing. Who is
> > > allowed to do that, and
icy better than I just did ;-)
OK, how about:
(This is because the hardlinks will end up pointing to the old
config files after an upgrade, which is probably not the intended
behaviour.)
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must be clearly indicated as not being the official Debian
Policy."
I do not know whether we should do similar things to the other
official documentation (Packaging Manual, Developer's Reference?).
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> Joey Hess wrote:
> > Policy still suggests /etc/rc.boot instead of /etc/rcS.d (#32448)
> > * Proposed on 26 Jan 1999 by Brian Servis; seconded by Julian
> > Gilbey.
> > * Change policy to refer to /etc/rcS.d instead of the old
> > /etc/rc.boot/
>
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I second this proposal.
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/rc.boot, and so missed these packages.]
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nd facilitated by the presence of
/usr/share.
The things we have to watch out for are making sure that packages
don't explicitly depend upon /usr/doc being there, and change them if
they do.
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> - thomas osterried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I second this proposal.
>
> Please don't. As Ian Jackson once said: things like this should
> not be part of policy, but part os a set of coding guidelines.
Fair enough. Do we have such a set of guidelines? Until we do, I
think it
itself packaged?
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> On Sun, May 30, 1999 at 05:35:56PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > I had cause to look in /etc/passwd recently, and found that several
> > > system accounts had inherited my gid, 100:
> > > sync:*:4:100:sync:/bin:/bin/sync
> > > games:*:5:100:games:/usr/g
to undocumented.7.gz, so that
lintian will remind the developer that the manpage needs writing. In
this way, lintian will save the BTS from these standard bug reports.
Of course, undocumented(7) would need some slight rewording to match.
Thoughts?
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y purpose. Given this, the MD5 sums
themselves should be adequate for the integrity tests.
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this
> example regarding the time that the /usr/local tree is mounted, but
> that's another story...)
Tar up /etc and untar that instead, perhaps? As long as the same
packages are installed, it should be fine. This would solve any
issues about /etc/passwd and the like as well.
Juli
is really
unhelpful.
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red conf
> files.
>
>
> just my two skittles. Hopefully this post helps. :>
>
> --Ian Dalton
>
>
>
> On 17 Jun 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
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> > Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > ...
> > > > --- 7,10
> On Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:33:21AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Interesting points. However I would suggest that most of the files in
> > /etc are about local configurations, and are, in general, not
> > shareable. In fact, the FHS defines /etc as being for non-share
' However, I cannot access ftp.yggdrasil.com
The FHS has been accepted as a policy ammendment (although not yet
implemented into the policy document). Looking at version 2.1-pre#2,
this problem is no longer present.
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of other
packages.
#34046: There should be an X-free runlevel; more generally a runlevels
policy.
#36151: init.d scripts should begin with an explicit PATH (and IFS
etc?) so that they work even in strange situations.
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The package description still contains:
This package contains:
- Debian Policy Manual
- Linux Filesystem Structure (FSSTND)
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choice of editor. If it exists, it should take precedence
> over EDITOR. This is in fact what /usr/bin/sensible-editor does.
Modulo the s///, I second this proposal.
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omeone's system. The
correct way to do it is to place the program in /etc/init.d and use
update-rc.d.
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by Brian Servis; seconded by Julian Gilbey
> and Joey Hess.
> * Change policy to refer to /etc/rcS.d instead of the old
> /etc/rc.boot/
So this seems to be agreed upon; I'm marking it as accepted because it
was seconded so long ago. If anyone objects and wants it to sit
are not conffiles.
+ The distinction between these two is important; they are not
+ interchangeable concepts. Every conffile is considered to be a
+ configuration file, but many configuration files are not conffiles.
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Seconded.
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the symlinks
is to use update-rc.d, as the symlinks don't make any sense when
file-rc is being used.
I will propose a detailed rewriting if initial interest is shown in
this proposal.
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> On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 02:45:04AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Do you know of any conffiles which are not configuration files? The
> > concept of a conffile which is not a configuration file is bizarre.
>
> /etc/init.d/* and /etc/cron.d/* are not really configur
f the changed
text. (Can't remember which para off-hand)
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> On 18-Jul-99, 14:43 (CDT), Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm against saying that "every conffile is a configuration file" simply
> > > because I don't want to lock out some other legitimate use of the
> > > conffile mecha
I actually propose
a rewriting which talks only about runlevels and starting/stopping
services at various runlevels which has no dependency on the
/etc/rc?.d directories? I think that is the correct way forward.
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ion into /usr/share/doc to allow
it to still be accessed from /usr/doc, not vice versa.
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Maybe I can suggest an alternative which will
- not require packages to add anything to their maintainer scripts
- not break the majority of packages, and
- not create a forest of symlinks (which might be problematic, as has
been pointed out)
The dpkg-buildpackage program (and maybe autobuil
I could feasibly see all packages becoming /usr/share/doc
using by the time potato is released, as the individual packages won't
directly need modification in order to make them FHS compliant.
Julian
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Julian
> Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > The dpkg-buildpackage program (and maybe autobuilders as well?) could
> > be modified so that after the .deb is built, before anything is signed
> > or similar, something like the following is done (within any necessary
> > fakeroot-
is. See if you can find it
(on http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/pa/ldebian-policy.html if I remember
correctly), resurrect it and second it. It'll probably then pass.
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, U
> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
>
> > > I don't know how important this is, but there's a de-facto
> > > virtual package, ispell-dictionary, in use for quite some
> > > time by the ispell and i* dictionary packages, but not
>
> Hi,
> >>"Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> What exactly is required to "resurrect" a proposal? Is it required to wait
> >> some amount of time since it was rejected?
>
> Julian> I don't
al.
Seconded.
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg
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