Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't say so. For example, a C compiler ought to provide > > /usr/bin/cc in some form or another, > > You're talking about an alternative for /usr/bin/cc. A thing that > compiles C source code into object files is a C com

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Moshe Zadka wrote: > Ummm.if a C compiler doesn't support a /usr/bin/cc which supports -o > and -c, it shouldn't "Provide: c-compiler" A virtual package is a means to indicate a package provides a certain interface, not some functionality. Functionality is useless if you can't use i

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Chris Waters
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 11:17:57AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > A virtual package is a means to indicate a package provides a certain > interface, not some functionality. Some virtual packages (mail-transport-agent, c-compiler, httpd, most of *-server) clearly do have an associated interface.

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chris Waters wrote: > Some virtual packages (mail-transport-agent, c-compiler, httpd, most > of *-server) clearly do have an associated interface. Some > (mail-reader, www-browser, audio-mixer) clearly do not. Lack of an interface tends to be troublesome. Look at doc-central for exampl

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If that were true, then nothing would depend on mail-reader or > www-browser or audio-mixer. But things do. I'm not a big audio person, so I can't comment on audio-mixer. www-browser: definitely, here a standard interface (give a UR

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Moshe Zadka wrote: > www-browser: definitely, here a standard interface (give a URL on the command > line) is useful. currently, urlview depends on an ugly hack > to do that (listing browsers itself) doc-central does the same thing. > mail-reader: honestly, I

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 11:57:29AM -, Moshe Zadka wrote: > www-browser: definitely, here a standard interface (give a URL on the command > line) is useful. currently, urlview depends on an ugly hack > to do that (listing browsers itself) You also need to know which c

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Mark Brown wrote: > You also need to know which command to invoke and you need to know when > it's safe to discard any temporary file you might be pointing at. The same holds for editor which does have a well defined interface. Wichert. -- __

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 02:30:15PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > The same holds for editor which does have a well defined interface. Well, quite. It's just that you need to put a bit more work into these things than was being suggested. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mail-reader: honestly, I fail to see a reason why this is sane. > > "less /var/mail/moshez" is as good a mail reader as any. > > what on earth would prompt someone to suggest a mail-reader > >

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Chris Waters
Whoops, I intended that last reply to go to the list. Just shows that you should check your headers even when you're writing a quick note. :) On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 01:59:19PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Chris Waters wrote: > > Yes, and those virtual packages with no associated i

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chris Waters wrote: > If the merely-functional virtual packages were actually useless (which > is essentially what you said), then I think we would be justified in > throwing them out. But I don't think they are, so I don't think we > are. Ok. I think we are actually all in agreement n

Re: /usr/doc

2002-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Jul 20, Joey Hess wrote: > > So would anyone murder me if the code in debhelper to make postinst > > scripts manage /usr/doc links just went missing? This would of course > > cause the link to go away when packages were upgraded to versions built > > with the new debhelpe

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Chris Waters
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 10:26:52PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Ok. I think we are actually all in agreement now, Can someone please > volunteer to go through the list of virtual packages and document > them properly? For each virtual package we should document > > * a description of what it

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Chris Waters
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 10:26:52PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Ok. I think we are actually all in agreement now, Can someone please > volunteer to go through the list of virtual packages and document > them properly? For each virtual package we should document After a first skim-through the

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-29 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:49:33PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > After a first skim-through the list, I find myself a little perplexed > -- "editor" is not an official, policy-blessed virtual package name, > but "lambdamoo-core" is. I think it's safe to say that something's > wrong with this pictur

Virtual package documentation (Was Re: [... Bug#154142 ...])

2002-07-29 Thread John R. Daily
At (time_t)1027974412 Wichert Akkerman wrote: > For each virtual package we should document > > * a description of what it should be used for > * a complete description of the interface packages should provide if > that is relevant for that virtual package Another potential documentation point