Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-06-04 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:43:49PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 11:17:32 -0700 > You misunderstand though. It doesn't need to be done in menu itself. In > fact, such wouldn't make sense because different menu systems need > different icon sizes. Not only that, but it would be

[result] Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-20 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello debian-policy, As discussed previously and since no one has raised an objection, I will remove the point 3 below from the menu manual. 3. The icons should use only the 24 colors present in cmap.xpm, which comes with the `menu' package. For now, I will let the point 2 bel

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:53:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Of course you'll get better results in such scaling if you have more > colors available. The problem, I think, is that some of the window > managers that support icons, like fvwm, do not do scaling, or don't do > it very well. Couldn't u

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread Joey Hess
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Indeed. With people using tiny laptops with 640x480 pixel screens to > people using high-end workstations with two (or three?) multi-megapixel > screens, there isn't any one size that will fit all. > > What Gnome, OS X, and KDE do is to provide icons in a large size that is

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 14 May 2003 11:17:32 -0700 Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Choose the best one" implies having multiple icons of different > > sizes, right? > > Um, no, if there's only one, then that's obviously the best one. :) That's a given. But if they want their icons to be reasonably

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:17:32AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:21:20AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > On Wed, 14 May 2003 00:30:29 -0700 > > Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Right :) On the other hand, we would probably have more icons listed in > > /usr/

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread Chris Waters
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:21:20AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 00:30:29 -0700 > Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree -- icons in the menu should be about the same size as the > > text, or maybe a little larger. It's a menu, not an image-viewing > > tool. :)

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:30:29AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > Actually, there's another option: just add some new variables, and, as > with title/longtitle, put a function in /etc/menu-methods/menu.h to > choose the best one, which the user can comment out or edit. That > should satisfy everyone

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 14 May 2003 00:30:29 -0700 Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:47:15PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > > 32x32 is *huge* in a menu, and 48x48 is insane. At least for common > > use today :) > > I agree -- icons in the menu should be about the same size as

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2003-05-14 at 01:45, Joey Hess wrote: > icon size and screen resolution continues to be all over the map from > what I can see Indeed. With people using tiny laptops with 640x480 pixel screens to people using high-end workstations with two (or three?) multi-megapixel screens, there isn't an

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-14 Thread Chris Waters
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:47:15PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > 32x32 is *huge* in a menu, and 48x48 is insane. At least for common use > today :) I agree -- icons in the menu should be about the same size as the text, or maybe a little larger. It's a menu, not an image-viewing tool. :) > If

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 14 May 2003 00:36:58 +0200 Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't you think it would be nice if they could be used for both? > > (After all, application icons on a panel are menus in their own > > right.) > > The menu manual is not supposed to comment on such things. I'm just

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread David B Harris
On Tue, 13 May 2003 18:29:57 -0400 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David B Harris wrote: > > (Note that I'm subscribed to the list, no need to mail me > > personally.) > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 15:58:49 -0500 > > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:30:

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:47:15PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 23:03:02 +0200 > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know at least two dozen people who use 48x48 icons, even though > > > they're not in the menu. (They're in a panel or somesuch.) > > > > This doc

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread Joey Hess
Bill Allombert wrote: > Here an extract from the menu manual: > > Debian package maintainers should ensure that any icons they include > for use in the debian menus conform to the following points: > > 1. The icons should be in xpm format. > > 2. The icons may not be larg

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread Joey Hess
David B Harris wrote: > (Note that I'm subscribed to the list, no need to mail me personally.) > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 15:58:49 -0500 > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:30:10PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > > Instead of adjusting this to "48x48" to match cu

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread David B Harris
On Tue, 13 May 2003 23:03:02 +0200 Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know at least two dozen people who use 48x48 icons, even though > > they're not in the menu. (They're in a panel or somesuch.) > > This document apply onlys to icons in /usr/lib/menu for application > menu. Icons sp

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread David B Harris
(Note that I'm subscribed to the list, no need to mail me personally.) On Tue, 13 May 2003 15:58:49 -0500 John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:30:10PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > Instead of adjusting this to "48x48" to match current common > > practise, upping

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:30:10PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 21:56:35 +0200 > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. The icons may not be larger than 32x32 pixels, although > > smaller sizes are ok. > > > > To accomodate with current workspace size, we

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:30:10PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > Instead of adjusting this to "48x48" to match current common practise, > upping it to 128x128 will give us a bit more leeway. Why not just use SVG and eliminate the whole problem?

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread David B Harris
On Tue, 13 May 2003 21:56:35 +0200 Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. The icons may not be larger than 32x32 pixels, although > smaller sizes are ok. > > To accomodate with current workspace size, we could eventually > change size in point 2 to 48x48. I know at least two do

Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello debian-policy, Here an extract from the menu manual: Debian package maintainers should ensure that any icons they include for use in the debian menus conform to the following points: 1. The icons should be in xpm format. 2. The icons may not be larger than 32x32 pi