Rejected: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2008-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
This bug proposes adding to Policy a requirement that Debian use UTF-8 everywhere in all files and file names and as the default character set for all locales. It has been open for many years in part because it's implications are so widespread as to be difficult to act on and in part because non-U

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-13 Thread Raul Miller
Thanks, I'm looking into this. -- Raul On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:49:07AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:42:28PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > UCS4 is not a satisfactory encoding for our needs, unfortunatel

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:42:28PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > UCS4 is not a satisfactory encoding for our needs, unfortunately. > > JIS is not comlpete either, but UCS4 is less. > > Could you provide some examples of characters encoded in

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:42:28PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > UCS4 is not a satisfactory encoding for our needs, unfortunately. > JIS is not comlpete either, but UCS4 is less. Could you provide some examples of characters encoded in JIS but not in UCS4? [a url would be fine, if it's hard to r

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:43:10PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:27:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Why are you CC'ing me? Are you interested in having a discussion of > > these issues, or just in provoking me by filling my inbox? > > I Cc'd you because you didn't

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:27:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Why are you CC'ing me? Are you interested in having a discussion of > these issues, or just in provoking me by filling my inbox? I Cc'd you because you didn't have a Mail-Followup-To: header indicating otherwise. Probably not the

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:39:25PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > You're telling me why the context matters. You're not telling me why > the unicode naming of the code points matters. Why are you CC'ing me? Are you interested in having a discussion of these issues, or just in provoking me by fillin

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
> > > > Also, Unicode does include Fraktur characters. > > > > > > but in mathematical symbols - that is a completely different beast On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:48:24PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > Please explain why it matters to the reader whether the letter A is > > classifed by the unicode co

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:48:24PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > > Also, Unicode does include Fraktur characters. > > > > but in mathematical symbols - that is a completely different beast > > Please explain why it matters to the reader whether the letter A is > classifed by the unicode consortium

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 12:34:40PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 04:47:18PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > The situation is IMHO quite similar to german for using Fraktur > > (S?tterlin) script - it is a latin script, and unicode consortium > > (IMHO rightfully) decided

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
> > I disagree. The Han Unification issue is more like the difference > > between the latin and the italic character sets. Yes, many characters On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:20:21PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > No, because latin (upright) and italics are used interchangebly, > whereas fraktur ca

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Florian Weimer
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I am really not sure if unicode went the right way, I feel the ability > > to display Chinese name in a Japanese document using Chinese glyphs > > (or vice versa) is something that should not be get rid of... > > And, this could be rectified -- with Un

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:54:53PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > IMHO, a better mechanism are Unicode 3.1 language tags, see: > > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr27/#tag Which says: The characters in this block provide a mechanism for language tagging in Unicode plain te

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 04:47:18PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > my proposal is #99933 Thanks. > does JIS X0208 allow chinese characters to be used together with > japanese? I don't think so. However, JIS X0208 implies a japanese character set and the japanese language, while unicode indicate

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:07:21AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:41:13AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > Please read the proposal carefully (especially Marco and Junichi). > > Writting (converting into) documents in UTF-8 is "should" > > I'm quite aware of that. [There'

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:41:13AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > Please read the proposal carefully (especially Marco and Junichi). > Writting (converting into) documents in UTF-8 is "should" I'm quite aware of that. [There's also a "should" on using a single character set within a package.] U

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Radovan Garabik
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Converting all documentation to utf-8 is ridiculous, and unnecessary. > > Do you think the currently proposed policy (documentation should be Please read the proposal carefully (especially Marco and Junichi). Writting (converting into) documents in UTF-

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > TELL ME HOW IN THE HELL I CAN WRITE A MAIL WITH WORDS FROM > > HUNGARIAN, SLOVAK, RUSSIAN AN JAPANESE TOGETHER > > > > Unicode was not panacea, but it solved most of the problems, > > although setting it up was not painless. On Sat, J

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-09 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > TELL ME HOW IN THE HELL I CAN WRITE A MAIL WITH WORDS FROM > HUNGARIAN, SLOVAK, RUSSIAN AN JAPANESE TOGETHER > > Unicode was not panacea, but it solved most of the problems, > although setting it up was not painless. This has nothing t

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-09 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > well... it seems to be a stateful (sp?) encoding scheme... > while this is OKish for text documents and mail messages, > it is definitely not suitable for file names and similar That statement is not quite correct. It is not unsuitable for

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-09 Thread Arthur Korn
Hi Marco d'Itri schrieb: > >Granted, unicode might not be ready for Japanese. > >But, should we wait until it is ready? > Yes. I have no desire to suffer because you consider more elegant > switching everything to unicode right now. As Radovan wrote in this thread some time back: > > I would no

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 08, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >TELL ME HOW IN THE HELL I CAN WRITE A MAIL WITH WORDS FROM >HUNGARIAN, SLOVAK, RUSSIAN AN JAPANESE TOGETHER You and him configure your MUAs to use some unicode encoding and deal with any resulting problem which may happen. No need to for

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-08 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:13:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 06, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >but: JIS is japanese only, UCS-4 is global > >UCS-4 can (and will) be easily expanded, there are no technical > >problems in adding characters to this encoding > Please ex

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 06, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >but: JIS is japanese only, UCS-4 is global >UCS-4 can (and will) be easily expanded, there are no technical >problems in adding characters to this encoding Please explain, why the fuck can't you stop trying to force UTF-8 on communities wh

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-08 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 09:39:24PM +0900, Fumitoshi UKAI wrote: ... > > First of all, JIS means Japanese Industry Standards, it's not only for > character sets/encoding. JIS means many standards for industrial worlds, > such as screw size or so. > > Anyway, in this context, I assume JIS you say

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-08 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
At Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:02:16 +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > utf8 in the current state does not cover everything we had in other > > > > encodings. > > > > > > utf8 is just a _multibyte_ encoding, not _character_ encoding, > > > it can represent whatever character encoding is used in UCS-4

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-07 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 08:44:21PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:09:28PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > ... > > > > > > > There has to be

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-07 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 09:02:12PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > Hi, > > I would object severely to this proposal, because there are currently many > documentation in Japanese, which is in EUC. > > Usually Japanese text is identified with

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-07 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 08:42:28PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > > > utf8 in the current state does not cover everything we had in other > > > encodings. > > > > utf8 is just a _multibyte_ encoding, not _character_ encoding, > > it can

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-07 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > I would not go against making programs utf-8-aware, > > but I don't think that changing all the documentation to utf-8 > > is going too far. > > not yet - it will be just recommendation so far Nice to hear that. regards, junichi

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-07 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > utf8 in the current state does not cover everything we had in other > > encodings. > > utf8 is just a _multibyte_ encoding, not _character_ encoding, > it can represent whatever character encoding is used in UCS-4 UCS4 is not a satisfac

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-04 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:09:28PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > ... > > > > > There has to be an end to this. > > > > Yes, but I doubt we are going to be able to put an en

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-04 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 09:27:18AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > "Radovan" == Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Radovan> CJK and similar require much different characters fonts then VGA > Radovan> hardware is capable of displaying in text mode - so they neither > Radova

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Brian May
> "Radovan" == Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Radovan> CJK and similar require much different characters fonts then VGA Radovan> hardware is capable of displaying in text mode - so they neither Radovan> can be supported, unicode or not. Does framebuffer solve this? --

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Radovan Garabik
I used an advanced feature of my MUA to respond to more posts at once.. hope nodoby minds On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 10:27:22PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 01, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> because they are broken or because the charset is unlabeled. > >so we first mak

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 03, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >2) Require using utf8 in debian control files (debian/changelog, >debian/control, > Packages). This is not such a great change as it seems, since it will mean > only replacement of a few characters in a few packages (currently using

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >using ISO 8859-2 because Windows 1250 has polluted everything. Adding >> >another one to the pile is likely to screw things up even more. >> This is the reason we can't just switch the terminals to UTF-8, there >> are way too many pr

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Arto Jantunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm not arguing about this. I agree that in a perfect world everybody >> would be using unicode, encoded as UTF-8 or UTF-16. My point is that >> there is too much broken software to switch now to UTF-8. >What we are talking about here is a

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >now we miss the euro sign too. The transition to Latin-9 >(ISO-8859-15, with the euro and the missing characters) is *already* >causing *major* nerve breakage amongst people. Right. It's already bad when broken applications don't work well with

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 10:53:34PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Hello Anton, > > Saturday, June 02, 2001, 2:22:20 PM, you wrote: > > Well, I am not Russian but my impressions show that generally the > > Russian people are not against Uni

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Adi Stav
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 12:13:12PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:33:56PM +0400, Peter Novodvorsky wrote: > > Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On 1.VI.2001 at 14:00 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know about Arabic and Hebrew, but russia

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Herbert Xu
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arabic and hebrew have problem of being written right-to-left, > and therefore they cannot be easily supported, unicode or not. That's a display issue, not an encoding one. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert Xu

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-03 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:33:56PM +0400, Peter Novodvorsky wrote: > Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 1.VI.2001 at 14:00 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about Arabic and Hebrew, but russian people don't like arabic and hebrew pose s problem by themselves (right-to

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-02 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hello Anton, Saturday, June 02, 2001, 2:22:20 PM, you wrote: > Well, I am not Russian but my impressions show that generally the > Russian people are not against Unicode. It's not pleasant to deal with > so many incompatible 8-bit Cyrillic encod

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-02 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Saturday 02 June 2001 18:33, Peter Novodvorsky wrote: > Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On 1.VI.2001 at 14:00 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > The real problem of Unicode is that still there is not enough support > > for it. And at least for a few years 8-bit encodings are going to be >

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-02 Thread Peter Novodvorsky
Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 1.VI.2001 at 14:00 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > > I don't know about Arabic and Hebrew, but russian people don't like > > unicode and do not want to switch from the KOI-8 and KOI-8r encodings. > > Well, I am not Russian but my impressions show that ge

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-02 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On 1.VI.2001 at 14:00 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > I don't know about Arabic and Hebrew, but russian people don't like > unicode and do not want to switch from the KOI-8 and KOI-8r encodings. Well, I am not Russian but my impressions show that generally the Russian people are not against Unicode. It'

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 06:08:43PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > At present cron parses the command simply by reading everything up > to the end of the line ('\n'), char by char (in the C type sense of > 'char'). Is there a guarantee that byte value representing '\n' won't > show up in the sequen

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Steve Greenland
Raul, thanks for clarifications. One last detail: On 01-Jun-01, 15:39 (CDT), Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For programs with no relevant text manipulation facilities (cron and > crontab), it's sufficient that UTF-8 is not mutilated. [UTF-8 is > designed, remember, to be represented in

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On 30-May-01, 22:25 (CDT), Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Making sure everything works with UTF-8 charset On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:38:32PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > Does this mean, for example, that cron and crontab would have to be > recoded to support wide or mult

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-May-01, 22:25 (CDT), Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:11:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:11:20PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > > > I think Debian should start to move into using UTF-8 by default > > > everywh

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:00:34PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 01, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Most people (with the possible exception of part of the CJK > >> community) do not want to use unicode yet, deal with it. > > > >Excuse me? "With the possible exception of t

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Arto Jantunen
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:07:59PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 01, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >[*] I'd like to type naive properly, with i-diaeresis, but I just cannot, > >since it is not in ISO-8859-2 encoding my console is switched to > I'm not arguing about this. I

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Roland Mas
Marco d'Itri (2001-06-01 14:00:34 +0200) : > On Jun 01, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Excuse me? "With the possible exception of the CJK community"? What > >about people speaking (and writing/typing) Arabic, Hebrew, Greek, > >Russian and whatnot? > I don't know about Arabic and

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:56:42PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 01, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Nice things these general tendencies... in my country we still have problems > >using ISO 8859-2 because Windows 1250 has polluted everything. Adding > >another one to the pile

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Most people (with the possible exception of part of the CJK >> community) do not want to use unicode yet, deal with it. > >Excuse me? "With the possible exception of the CJK community"? What >about people speaking (and writing/typing) Arab

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[*] I'd like to type naive properly, with i-diaeresis, but I just cannot, >since it is not in ISO-8859-2 encoding my console is switched to I'm not arguing about this. I agree that in a perfect world everybody would be using unicode, encoded

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Nice things these general tendencies... in my country we still have problems >using ISO 8859-2 because Windows 1250 has polluted everything. Adding >another one to the pile is likely to screw things up even more. This is the reason we can't ju

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:09:28PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: ... > > > There has to be an end to this. > > Yes, but I doubt we are going to be able to put an end to it. At least in Debian, we can try -- ---

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > Maintainers are being encouradged to use UTF-8, having in mind the general > > > tendency toward unified character encoding. > > > > Nice things these general tendencies... in my country we still have problems > > using ISO 885

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:31:12PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:17:43PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > Maintainers are being encouradged to use UTF-8, having in mind the general > > tendency toward unified character encoding. > > Nice things these general tendencies...

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:31:53AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 01, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Ask the IETF. They seem to like UTF8 a lot. > Because it's ASCII-compatible. This is not relevant. > > >Ask Linus too. The UTF8 support is in the kernel since, what, 2

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:17:43PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > Maintainers are being encouradged to use UTF-8, having in mind the general > tendency toward unified character encoding. Nice things these general tendencies... in my country we still have problems using ISO 8859-2 because Windows

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:30:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > > I think debconf should use UTF-8 for the templates and recode on the fly. > > Well, if you send in a patch, I will consider it. Probably libc ought to support it (when there is all the i18n stuff built in

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Roland Mas
Marco d'Itri (2001-06-01 03:31:53 +0200) : > Most people (with the possible exception of part of the CJK > community) do not want to use unicode yet, deal with it. Excuse me? "With the possible exception of the CJK community"? What about people speaking (and writing/typing) Arabic, Hebrew, Gree

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Sam TH
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:31:53AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Most people (with the possible exception of part of the CJK community) > do not want to use unicode yet, deal with it. Actually, most people who aren't using a Latin or Cyrillic alphabet want Unicode. Which is most people, period.

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Joey Hess
Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > I think debconf should use UTF-8 for the templates and recode on the fly. Well, if you send in a patch, I will consider it. > There's nothing worse than having gibberish in ten different charsets in the > same template file. This is why the template file is the "com

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Joey Hess
Fumitoshi UKAI wrote: > debconf doesn't assume any encoding, does it? > We're usually using EUC-JP charset for debconf. No, debconf knows about as little about l10n and i18n as I. I'm glad to hear the Japanese stuff works btw. -- see shy jo

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ask the IETF. They seem to like UTF8 a lot. Because it's ASCII-compatible. This is not relevant. >Ask Linus too. The UTF8 support is in the kernel since, what, 2.0.x? Because it's ASCII-compatibile. This is not relevant. UTF-8 maybe b

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 09:06:10PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > On 01-05-30 Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > > Package: debian-policy > > Version: 3.5.4.0 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > I think Debian should start to move into using UTF-8 by default everywhere. > > May I ask why we want to choose

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-05-30 Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.5.4.0 > Severity: wishlist > > I think Debian should start to move into using UTF-8 by default everywhere. May I ask why we want to choose UTF-8 instead of UTF-5 or UTF-16? And why should we exactly switch to Unicode? H

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:18:38PM +0900, Fumitoshi UKAI wrote: > > How do tools (eg. debconf) know what coding set to use when reading a > > file (eg. templates file)? Or, is ISO-8859-1 assumed? > > debconf doesn't assume any encoding, does it? > We're usually using EUC-JP charset for debconf. >

Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Roland Mas
Fumitoshi UKAI (2001-05-31 23:18:38 +0900) : > AFAIK, emacsen could handle UTF-8 with mule-ucs package. Yes. It works very well for me. It also supports UTF-7 and UTF-16, by the way :-) > If policy claims to make sure everything works with UTF-8 charset, > should mule-ucs be merged into each

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-31 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
At 31 May 2001 14:04:39 +1000, Brian May wrote: > > "Cesar" == Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Cesar> - Making sure everything works with UTF-8 charset > > Biggest problem for me, here (unless that has changed in the past > month or so) is xemacs. Probably the same f

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-30 Thread Brian May
> "Cesar" == Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Cesar> - Making sure everything works with UTF-8 charset Biggest problem for me, here (unless that has changed in the past month or so) is xemacs. Probably the same for emacs too, not sure. Once I opened a message, and Gnus had

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-30 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:11:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:11:20PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > > Package: debian-policy > > Version: 3.5.4.0 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > I think Debian should start to move into using UTF-8 by default everywhere. > > Wha

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:11:20PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.5.4.0 > Severity: wishlist > > I think Debian should start to move into using UTF-8 by default everywhere. What, exactly, does this involve? (Now's probably a bad time, too) Cheers, aj -

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-05-30 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.4.0 Severity: wishlist I think Debian should start to move into using UTF-8 by default everywhere. Rationale: The current 'standard' default character set is ISO-8859-1. This works fine most of the time, however, it causes some problems. For instance, most of