Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-12 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 02:05:23AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 03:13:36PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > package maintenance is not > > something that I believe it's in the purview of the DPL to delegate. > > I have to agree with this part. I think this is a powe

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-11 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 03:13:36PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > package maintenance is not > something that I believe it's in the purview of the DPL to delegate. I have to agree with this part. I think this is a power that belongs to the developers. I think that in such delegation the polic

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-09 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 03:30:10PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Steve Langasek writes: > > > I question the whole notion of DPL delegation of policy powers to the > > policy editors. The power to decide the contents of the debian-policy > > package follows from their status as package maintainer

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/02/14 at 12:21 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 03:13:36PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > I question the whole notion of DPL delegation of policy powers to the policy > > editors. > > Can I suggest you start a GR about if you think the DPL is maing > decisions he ca

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-09 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 03:13:36PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I question the whole notion of DPL delegation of policy powers to the policy > editors. Can I suggest you start a GR about if you think the DPL is maing decisions he can not make? I also suggest you re-read Neil's text on the su

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-08 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 06:15:52PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : > > I would have to disagree with that. The recent delegation among > other things says "defines [...] technical requirements that all > packages must satisfy". What the ctte here wants to do is set > policy about having a Depends o

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek writes: > I question the whole notion of DPL delegation of policy powers to the > policy editors. The power to decide the contents of the debian-policy > package follows from their status as package maintainers; package > maintenance is not something that I believe it's in the pur

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 06:15:52PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 05:45:19PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:13:52PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:04:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > "Didier 'OdyX' Raboud" writes:

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-08 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 05:45:19PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:13:52PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:04:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > "Didier 'OdyX' Raboud" writes: > > > > > > > Back then, the gnome maintainers added a dependency o

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-08 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:13:52PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:04:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > "Didier 'OdyX' Raboud" writes: > > > > > Back then, the gnome maintainers added a dependency on another package, > > > which happened to be providing an /sbin/init. Thi

Re: Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-07 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:04:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > "Didier 'OdyX' Raboud" writes: > > > Back then, the gnome maintainers added a dependency on another package, > > which happened to be providing an /sbin/init. This was allowed by the > > Debian Policy of the time as well as by the De