Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually there are two minor typos in my patch: > Saving > > Tools for blanking the screen. Entries of screen hacks and >configuration GUIs should go to other appropriate sections. >

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:02:02AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Here it is. Please check it matches the proposed new menu structure. > > It looks correct to me. I've applied this patch to my arch repository. > Thank you! Actually there are two mi

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here it is. Please check it matches the proposed new menu structure. It looks correct to me. I've applied this patch to my arch repository. Thank you! -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCR

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 03:02:56AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Well It is two week now, and I did not get a single answer. Should I > > consider that as a nihil obstat ? > > Sorry about this. Figuring out how to move forward with Policy was the >

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 01:23:49PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 03:10:38AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Please find the final version for approval. Of course minor changes > > > will be allowed in the course of the m

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 03:10:38AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Please find the final version for approval. Of course minor changes > > will be allowed in the course of the migration if they only affect a > > small number of package. > > Could you

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please find the final version for approval. Of course minor changes > will be allowed in the course of the migration if they only affect a > small number of package. Could you prepare this as a patch against menu-policy.sgml? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well It is two week now, and I did not get a single answer. Should I > consider that as a nihil obstat ? Sorry about this. Figuring out how to move forward with Policy was the topic of much discussion at DebConf, but also since both Manoj and I are he

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sat, Jun 09, 2007 at 07:10:12PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Dear developers, > > I would like to go forward soon with the proposed menu structure change. > Actually I should have done that two months ago, so I would like to > catch up a bit. > > Please find the final version for approval.

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Dear developers, I would like to go forward soon with the proposed menu structure change. Actually I should have done that two months ago, so I would like to catch up a bit. Please find the final version for approval. Of course minor changes will be allowed in the course of the migration if they

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

At 1150848896 past the epoch, Linas Žvirblis wrote: > Jon Dowland wrote: > >> -- Text > >> ++ Text Tools/Utilities/Accessories... > > > > Could you give an example of what would belong there? > > That is a no, unless you can provide a very accurate > description, so that people would not think t

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Jon Dowland wrote: >> ++ Contrib/Applications >> ++ Contrib/Games >> ... >> ++ Non-free/Applications >> ++ Non-free/Games > > I think that could be confusing when packages migrate between > main,contrib,non-free. I don't know how often that happens. No, it is confusing because user would

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

At 1150567172 past the epoch, SZERVÁC Attila wrote: > ++ Contrib/Applications > ++ Contrib/Games > ... > ++ Non-free/Applications > ++ Non-free/Games I think that could be confusing when packages migrate between main,contrib,non-free. I don't know how often that happens. > -- Text > ++

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

At 1149960007 past the epoch, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I do not think this is an improvement. The main goal for > menu items is (should be) clarity, not 100% grammatical or > spelling correctness. Conservation of screen real estate > is an important secondary goal, and should not be > sacrificed to

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

My ideas: ++ Contrib/Applications ++ Contrib/Games ... ++ Non-free/Applications ++ Non-free/Games ... -- Text ++ Text Tools/Utilities/Accessories... sas-guest (Hungarian Translator) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contac

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

I do not think this is an improvement. The main goal for menu items is (should be) clarity, not 100% grammatical or spelling correctness. Conservation of screen real estate is an important secondary goal, and should not be sacrificed to linguistic perfection. -- A true pessimist won't be discou

Re: [SPAM?]: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> NCBI is the National Center for Biotechnology Information >> (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/). Think about the Google for biological >> research. >> >> My reasonning was that if people install the packages ncbi-tools-*, they >> necessarly know what the N

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 12:10:36AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sun, May 14, 2006 at 04:47:00PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 07:36:49PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > The packages ncbi-tools-bin and ncbi-tools-x11 have many many menu > > > entries. Do you thi

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Lionel Elie Mamane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 12:10:36AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > >> My reasonning was that if people install the packages ncbi-tools-*, >> they necessarly know what the NCBI is. > > It means at least one person on the machine knows. The other users

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 09:28:38PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 14.05.2006, 21:07 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > > On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 08:58:45PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > > Am Samstag, den 13.05.2006, 13:26 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > > > I did not check it: IMHO

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Daniel Leidert wrote: > This is not completely true. It defines categories and sub-categories. > There is also a structure. But I agree, that it does not explicitly > define/propose a structure. But I also meant, that you should maybe > think about to be compatible with their category naming. I d

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Am Sonntag, den 14.05.2006, 21:07 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 08:58:45PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > Am Samstag, den 13.05.2006, 13:26 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > > I did not check it: IMHO it would make sense to try to be compatible (in > > parts) with the free

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 08:58:45PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Samstag, den 13.05.2006, 13:26 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > I did not check it: IMHO it would make sense to try to be compatible (in > parts) with the freedesktop.org menu specification and the structure > they propose. But th

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Am Samstag, den 13.05.2006, 13:26 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > Hello Debian people, > > I am proposing a new version of the new Debian menu structure proposal > incorporating changes that have been proposed. > > Here the change from the previous draft: > > - change 'HAM Radio' to 'Amateur Rad

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 12:10:36AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > My reasonning was that if people install the packages ncbi-tools-*, > they necessarly know what the NCBI is. It means at least one person on the machine knows. The other users will see a cryptic "NCBI" and think "WTF is that?". --

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Le Sun, May 14, 2006 at 04:47:00PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 07:36:49PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > The packages ncbi-tools-bin and ncbi-tools-x11 have many many menu > > entries. Do you think that it would make sense to create a "NCBI" > > subsection in the Sci

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 07:36:49PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > (copy sent to the maintainer of the ncbi-tools packages) > > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 01:26:23PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote : > > Hello Debian people, > > > > I am proposing a new version of the new Debian menu structure proposal >

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

(copy sent to the maintainer of the ncbi-tools packages) On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 01:26:23PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote : > Hello Debian people, > > I am proposing a new version of the new Debian menu structure proposal > incorporating changes that have been proposed. > > What should you do: > -

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Hello Debian people, I am proposing a new version of the new Debian menu structure proposal incorporating changes that have been proposed. Here the change from the previous draft: - change 'HAM Radio' to 'Amateur Radio'. - revert change 'Educational' -> 'Education'. - add 'Electronics' in place

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 10:25:14AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: > The pkg-games project has discussed in the past that "Arcade" is a poor > category, and yet it is preserved in this new menu proposal. > > The thread starts here: > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-games-devel/2006-Jan

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 10:25:14AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: > The pkg-games project has discussed in the past that "Arcade" is a poor > category, and yet it is preserved in this new menu proposal. > > The thread starts here: > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-games-devel/2006-Jan

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

The pkg-games project has discussed in the past that "Arcade" is a poor category, and yet it is preserved in this new menu proposal. The thread starts here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-games-devel/2006-January/47.html Please note that since that time, we have moved back to t

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Ognyan Kulev wrote: > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > "HAM" is not an acronym, so "Ham Radio" would be more appropriate. > > > > Even better (IMHO) is the full term "Amateur Radio", but some may > > disagree. I've CC'd debian-hams for their input also. > > Is there a problem with using "Amateur (Ham) R

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Hamish Moffatt wrote: > "HAM" is not an acronym, so "Ham Radio" would be more appropriate. > > Even better (IMHO) is the full term "Amateur Radio", but some may > disagree. I've CC'd debian-hams for their input also. Is there a problem with using "Amateur (Ham) Radio"? Regards, ogi -- To UNSU

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Greetings.. On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 07:36 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > "HAM" is not an acronym, so "Ham Radio" would be more appropriate. > > > > Even better (IMHO) is the full term "Amateur Radio", but some may > > disagree. I've CC'd debian-hams for

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 01:56:50AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Bill Allombert [Tue, Apr 11 2006, 12:34:45AM]: > > Yep. WRT you said above, what abot renaming "WindowManagers/Modules" to > "$wm Modules" (one level above WM starters and indicating which > "modules" are meant by that).

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Eduard Bloch wrote: > Yep. WRT you said above, what abot renaming "WindowManagers/Modules" to > "$wm Modules" (one level above WM starters and indicating which > "modules" are meant by that). One more thing to consider is that if we will have to to move/rename modules in the future (current situa

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

#include * Bill Allombert [Tue, Apr 11 2006, 12:34:45AM]: > Please take into account that Debian menu will only display modules > suitable for the running window-manager (because they use a specific Okay... now I understand. > 'needs' field that only this wm 'support'). So in effect you are jus

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

#include * Bill Allombert [Mon, Apr 10 2006, 11:57:48PM]: > I would like to stress that modules menu entries use window-managers > specific 'needs' fields and as such are not bound by the Debian menu > sub-policy (each window manager can choose its own section for modules) > so it is meant only a

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 12:22:53AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Bill Allombert [Mon, Apr 10 2006, 11:57:48PM]: > > > I would like to stress that modules menu entries use window-managers > > specific 'needs' fields and as such are not bound by the Debian menu > > sub-policy (each wind

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 08:31:14AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Bill Allombert [Sat, Apr 08 2006, 04:46:10PM]: > > > Window Managers [was:WindowManagers] > > Modules [was:WindowManagers/Modules] > > I cannot see the reason for this change. "Modules" can stand for any > kind of modul

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 10:46:21AM -0600, Shaun Jackman wrote: > Is it possible to make use of freedesktop.org's standardization of > menu layout within Debian? If we find their standard lacking, could we > lobby them for improvements similar to those listed here? The freedesktop.org menu draft do

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On 10-Apr-2006, Linas Žvirblis wrote: > Ben Finney wrote: > >> Yes, but they are only shown if you run a VM they belong to. > >> Being a user of a VM that uses modules, you can be expected to > >> know what they are. > > > > I don't believe that's true; you seem to be conflating "user" with > > "p

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Ben Finney wrote: >> Yes, but they are only shown if you run a VM they belong to. Being a >> user of a VM that uses modules, you can be expected to know what >> they are. > > I don't believe that's true; you seem to be conflating "user" with > "person who installs the software". Most users of a c

Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On 09-Apr-2006, Linas Žvirblis wrote: > Eduard Bloch wrote: > >> Window Managers [was:WindowManagers] > >> Modules [was:WindowManagers/Modules] > > > > I cannot see the reason for this change. "Modules" can stand for > > any kind of modules (kernel, X11, software components) however > > this secti

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Ben Finney wrote: > One is the assumption that only one window manager will be installed > on the computer. What if three window managers are installed: > > - window manager M, which uses its own modules > - window manager N, which use sits own modules > - window manager L, which has no con

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Is it possible to make use of freedesktop.org's standardization of menu layout within Debian? If we find their standard lacking, could we lobby them for improvements similar to those listed here? This work is certainly an improvement. Thanks, Shaun On 4/8/06, Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On 09-Apr-2006, Linas Žvirblis wrote: > Eduard Bloch wrote: > >> Window Managers [was:WindowManagers] > >> Modules [was:WindowManagers/Modules] > > > > I cannot see the reason for this change. "Modules" can stand for > > any kind of modules (kernel, X11, software components) however > > this secti

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Eduard Bloch wrote: >> Window Managers [was:WindowManagers] >> Modules [was:WindowManagers/Modules] > > I cannot see the reason for this change. "Modules" can stand for any > kind of modules (kernel, X11, software components) however this section > was explicitely preserved for Window manager rel

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

#include * Bill Allombert [Sat, Apr 08 2006, 04:46:10PM]: > Window Managers [was:WindowManagers] > Modules [was:WindowManagers/Modules] I cannot see the reason for this change. "Modules" can stand for any kind of modules (kernel, X11, software components) however this section was explicitely pre

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

> "HAM" is not an acronym, so "Ham Radio" would be more appropriate. > > Even better (IMHO) is the full term "Amateur Radio", but some may > disagree. I've CC'd debian-hams for their input also. HAM is probably well known among the amateur radio community. However, *outside* this community, th

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

> The difficult with strings like these, which will appear like this: > > msgid "Saving" > > msgid "Locking" > > msgid "Monitoring" Thankfully, Bill is very clever about translation issues and it's about one year since he put very detailed commentd in the POT and PO files: # #. First level e

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Translation feedback: On 09/04/2006, at 12:16 AM, Bill Allombert wrote: Package: debian-policy Version: 3.6.2.2 Severity: wishlist Screen Saving [was:Save] Locking [was:Lock] Network/Monitoring [new] Network/Web Browsing [new] System/Monitoring [new] The difficult wit

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 09:48:48AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 04:46:10PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Package: debian-policy > > Version: 3.6.2.2 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > Background: > > -- > > The menu structure define the list of sections and subsect

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 04:46:10PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.6.2.2 > Severity: wishlist > > Background: > -- > The menu structure define the list of sections and subsections of > the Debian menu system (which are displayed in window-managers menus).

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

"Data Management" is not a new section. It was previously named "Databases", as seen in "translate_menus". My mistake, sorry. - Data Management [new] - Interactive database programs, collection - managers, bibliography tools etc. - gaby, alexandria, mdbtools + Data Management [was:Databases]

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

On Saturday 08 April 2006 16:46, Bill Allombert wrote: > What should you do: > -- > --- As a packages maintainer: check whether your menu entry fit in the > new structure. Have you given any more thought to extending the menu policy for doc-base as briefly discussed in [1] and

Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure

Package: debian-policy Version: 3.6.2.2 Severity: wishlist Background: -- The menu structure define the list of sections and subsections of the Debian menu system (which are displayed in window-managers menus). The official list is part of the Debian menu subpolicy. This list is a bit out