n my changelogs. A strict
requirement that the .orig.tar.gz file should be an unmodified copy
from upstream would be impossible to satisfy for most of my packages.
Regards,
Bob
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Jakob Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>dictdOops, no dependency on adduser
dictd has depended on adduser since 1.7.1-1, which was uploaded 9
July 2002 .
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ight and changelogs must stay
in the package (absent a major policy change).
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On 09 Jan 2002, I posted the following message:
> To: debian-policy@lists.debian.org
> Subject: dict-client virtual package name
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 09 Jan 2002 11:27:
Any packages uploaded to unstable now are (presumably) intended
for woody+1. Is it appropriate to omit the /usr/doc/
symlinks in packages being uploaded currently, or should this wait for
a post-woody release of debian-policy?
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er using the DICT
protocol, as specified by RFC2229.
Bob
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Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.5.6.0
Severity: wishlist
There are at least 3 dict clients in Debian - dict, gdict, and
kdict. I propose that a virtual package name dict-client be adopted
to refer to any of these. I have posted a message to the -devel list,
copied to the maintainers of th
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 04:44:24PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote:
> > gcc apparently creates sections `.note' and `.comment' when compiling
> > binaries. Running either `strip' or the -s option to inst
ide.
Thanks for the restraint in your answer. I have just reviewed
the make directives and realized my error. I had hoped to get a
retraction out before anyone responded. :-)
Bob
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nary.
I don't think lintian should warn about things that are permitted
by policy. I propose that policy add a recommendation to use `strip
--remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note' on binaries.
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g' will produce unstripped binaries.
Bob
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obinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is necessaary to manually edit the To: line in a reply in
order to honor your wishes.
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oposal I would second it
instantly.
Bob
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warrant a Lintian Warning or Error
message, Policy should be changed to make it a SHOULD or MUST item.
It is ridiculous to have Policy say something is permissible or
acceptable, and then have Lintian pop up with a Warning.
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el before.
While this is included in policy 3.2.1 (probably earlier - I
can't find it in the changelog), it is not mentioned in
upgrading-checklist.text.gz.
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derstand this. Even in the dark ages PA (Pre-Apt), I
could install any Debian package without going into dselect.
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s comments on the proposal.
I think it would be helpful if a naming convention for
debian-specific documentation were adopted. debian-foo would be a
good choice.
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Seconded, although I don't see much need for examples in this
case.
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Anthony Towns writes:
>
> --FLPM4o+7JoHGki3m
> Content-Type:
structures that Latin lacks. (In Latin it
> is in fact prohibited to end sentenced with prepositions.)
Winston Churchill was once chided for ending a sentence with a
preposition. He replied, "This is the kind of arrant nonsense up
with which I will not put."
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what goes in this
section, but there was considerable discussion about the proposal,
including the rules. Before this is included in policy, I believe the
proposer should restate the proposal, including the rules, that were
subject to the consensus.
Bob
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o this that a sysadmin might delete
the comments are not valid. The sysadmin could delete all
documentation, including manpages, if he was foolish enough to do so.
It is not our business to protect a sysadmin from himself.
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ction to this
> proposal. (If it helps, I shall formally call this proposal a troll).
I second this objection to the original proposal
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t directory lists 97 packages.
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t for Debian Weekly News, so it'd be pretty easy for me to handle.
I think that would be an excellent idea. Go for it!
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at all, if even distribution is restricted by
such statements).
Kirk Hilliard
s/accessable/accessible/
This is in section 6.7 (Changelog files).
Note that the word occurs twice.
Kirk Hilliard
Package: debian-policy
Version: 2.5.0.0
There is a spurious ">" in section 2.1.1 (The Debian Free Software
Guidelines):
>Free Redistribution
This looks like a key bounce:
$ zgrep '>>' policy.sgml.gz
>Free Redistribution
Kirk Hilliard
Actually, this occurs twice:
First in section 3.3.3 (Managing the links):
update-rc.d default >/dev/null
Then again in section 3.3.6 (Example):
update-rc.d bind default >/dev/null
Kirk Hilliard
Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> reported:
>
> Package: debian-policy
> Version: 2.5.0.0
>
> Section 4.4 of the packaging manual refers to "Csh Programming
> Considered Harmful" in /pub/usenet-by-group/comp.unix.programmer on
> rtfm.mit.edu. T
ated.
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Package: debian-policy
Version: 2.5.0.0
Section 4.4 of the packaging manual refers to "Csh Programming
Considered Harmful" in /pub/usenet-by-group/comp.unix.programmer on
rtfm.mit.edu. This file is not now in that directory.
This reference should be deleted, or the URL updated.
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I believe that part of policy was put in for a purpose, and I
think it has legitimate uses. A developer who uses it must be careful
to avoid harmful consequences, but in some cases it is necessary to
avoid disrupting messages during installation, and to avoid user
surprise.
Bob
Joey Hess <[
* * * *
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se this report.
Agreed, and done.
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Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The most recent version of packaging-manual is 2.4.1.2, while
> > the most recent version of debian-policy is 2.5.0.0. I believe
&g
Package: packaging-manual
Version: 2.4.1.2
Severity: wishlist
The most recent version of packaging-manual is 2.4.1.2, while the
most recent version of debian-policy is 2.5.0.0. I believe there has
been agreement on the policy list that these documents would maintain
parallel version numbers
same notice should advise vendors to review
the copyright files themselves.
As several people have pointed out, despite our efforts, too many
packages that fail the DFSG make there way into the distribution.
Bob
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but the full implications must be understood and
carefully weighed before choosing a different course. When such an
item is ignored, this fact, and the reasons for it, should be
mentioned on the debian-devel mailing list. The same information
should be included in the package's READ
Luis Francisco Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bob Hilliard wrote:
> > I can not find this documented anywhere, but I have always
> > understood that policy was supposed to be the represent a consensus of
> > the developer's views after discu
s, such as requiring that each package must include the
full text of the copyright notice, are properly mandatory.
Bob
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better to use debian-policy for all policy
related matters, but far too many developers feel they don't have
time to subscribe to debian-policy, but then complain bitterly that
policy was adopted without their input.
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I have no opinion regarding the reason or reasons for the large
number of open bugs, and think that they are irrelevant to the subject
that was being discussed.
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the developer community agrees it is desirable.
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> : a section 1 one), please forward it to the upstream maintainer of the
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supporting the use of /usr/share without symlinks.
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it also finds the correct address in the document.
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an distribution with copyrights that do not
conform to the DFSG, or that a section be added to the DFSG permitting
standards to prohibit modification.
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appropriate section for new *-doc packages.
All the policy manual currently says about this is in section 2.1.7.
Please check the current Debian distribution to see which sections
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I agree with Ricardas Cepas.
Bob
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 16:02 GMT
> From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Ricardas Cepas thinks that we should map <-- to ASCII BS and `Delete'
> to ASCII DEL. Is there anyone else who agrees with him ? If not then
> I think we can safely go with my pro
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