Re: /etc/mailname clarfication

2005-06-21 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 09:30:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > No, I do not believe that. In fact, I have not been able to verify the > claims John makes on my test system. I have tried reproducing his > setup in my lab, and the Received headers come out just fine. See my > messages to bug #315128.

/etc/mailname clarfication

2005-06-21 Thread John Goerzen
> > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:53:12PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > The file /etc/mailname is used to form the default host part of e-mail > > addresses in the From line of various programs. For instance, debchange > > -i will use it for its changelog m

Re: Modernising menu manual icons requirement

2003-05-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:30:10PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > Instead of adjusting this to "48x48" to match current common practise, > upping it to 128x128 will give us a bit more leeway. Why not just use SVG and eliminate the whole problem?

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-08 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 02:54:43PM -0800, David Starner wrote: > At 02:32 PM 1/8/2003 -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > >It's not just physical terminals we're talking about here. We're talking > >about the vast majority of the state of the art terminal emulators *toda

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-08 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 03:50:45PM -0800, David Starner wrote: > If you're using a terminal that can't support UTF-8, you always have the > option of running > something like GNU screen to translate the system charset to the terminal > charset. > It seems more important to get a systemwide encodi

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-08 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:30:09AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > I like > > the idea that I can download any old program written in a past > > decade and just type make. > > Yay for broken software. Unicode did not exist until fairly recently. Lots of useful software was written prior to its i

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-07 Thread John Goerzen
Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 13:50, John Goerzen wrote: > > Sorry, we have to start somewhere. Unicode is the way of the future, > and if we wait until every vendor of some random terminal updates it > with support for UTF-8, we will ne

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-07 Thread John Goerzen
Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Then your solution is broken. Seriously, this would be a huge problem >> for many people. > > But the current situation is *already* broken! For example, for a I don't disagree. I'm saying that your solution is worse than the problem. > Chinese per

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-07 Thread John Goerzen
Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think that this would be a really bad idea, because it would be a to >> severe restriction on the set of supported terminal types. Think of >> remote logins from non-Debian machines: we cannot control the program >> at the other end of the line. And

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-12-01 Thread John Goerzen
sions of the GPL that it finds inconvenient? -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.complete.org Sr. Software Developer, Progeny Linux Systems, Inc.www.progenylinux.com #include <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: RFC: allow output from maintainer scripts

2000-10-26 Thread John Goerzen
Anthony Towns writes: > So is there anything wrong with just consistently using stderr for these > notes? I think that works well. It's better than requiring a separate command, and in fact, one can redirect output of commands to stderr anyway for those cases in which you might want to log the

Re: www-data policy?

2000-08-18 Thread John Goerzen
anoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>"John" == John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John> I know there is a www-data policy somewhere, but I can't seem to find > John> it in any policy document. Can someone tell me where to look?

www-data policy?

2000-08-17 Thread John Goerzen
Hi, I know there is a www-data policy somewhere, but I can't seem to find it in any policy document. Can someone tell me where to look? Thanks, John

Re: PMFJI, but what (if anything is happening wrt crypto and us)?

2000-07-21 Thread John Goerzen
=-===-==---=--=---' > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.complete.org Sr. Software Developer, Progeny Linux Systems, Inc.www.progenylinux.com #include <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bug#11094: Policy should mention that serial lines require UUCP-style locking

2000-06-28 Thread John Goerzen
of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg > Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/ -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.complete.org Sr. Software Developer,

Re: Debian GNU {Linux,Hurd,Win32, ... }

2000-02-14 Thread John Goerzen
bootstrap. > > I'd like to start it. What do y'all think, offhand? > > - chad > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- John Goerz

Re: Packages should not Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality

1999-10-01 Thread John Goerzen
. Anything beyond that should be asked > for. No, this is silly. When you install a package, it is for use. If you don't intend to use it, why install it? Incidentally, can we do something about the insane CC line please? -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming

Re: StackGuard

1999-05-04 Thread John Goerzen
I would say that if we are going to be putting effort into something, that the effort be put into code audit instead of StackGuard. That would be more likely to find and fix problems, and would not be so restricted in scope. -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL P

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-04 Thread John Goerzen
full implementation of the client library; ie, xfree86. -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade) www.debian.org | + The 954,963rd digit of pi is 3.

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-04 Thread John Goerzen
ource code, and you should have all you need to write something to communicate with it from the other end. -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Fre

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-03 Thread John Goerzen
tment of packages. Presumably you and the other ftpmasters are abiding by the same set of policy guidelines; therefore presumably there exists a discrepancy in the interpretation or else this is an isolated incident from the others. -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-03 Thread John Goerzen
x27;t mean that netcat as a SMTP server is devoid of use. It means simply that your needs are different than mine. I do not try to force my needs on you; please reciprocate in kind. -- John -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-03 Thread John Goerzen
ill be has a free server available: netcat. This renders other distinctions meaningless, I think. There's nothing to stop me from typing TCP/IP stuff to it. In fact, I do this with the SMTP protocol from both ends on a fairly regular basis. -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting &am

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-03 Thread John Goerzen
in main, and have been for some time. That was the only obvious answer that suggested itself, but if you have a different one, by all means let us know. > do with what the software is or who it comes from. If samba couldn't > connect to anything but a Microsoft server and it was a NEW

Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software

1999-05-01 Thread John Goerzen
llowed into main. Why? The Linux kernel and LILO requires non-free software (PC BIOSes) to boot. Yet they're both in main. Please don't reject something simply because it's from AOL. You need to treat everything the same, and perhaps when you try to apply your actions universall

Re: Why -g flag?

1999-02-22 Thread John Goerzen
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Strange. I usually debug binaries compiled with -O2 -g, and I've > never had any problems doing so. How could it be "all but useless" > for you? Because -O2 can cause the compiler to reorder instructions, move some things out of loops, etc. Steppi

Re: Gnome to be removed from debian?

1999-02-12 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 02:20:11PM -0500, Shaleh wrote: > We were branded as idiots and people going against progress. People are still > whining that we do not have Xfree 3.3.3 packaged. > > This "have to be bleeding edge" thing is getting old. Having a luddite tendency does no good either. R

Re: Policy question

1999-02-04 Thread John Goerzen
ff the passing of -B8BITMIME or -BBINARYMIME to mailers. Elm now does those conversions internally. This closes bug #17103. -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:21:30 -0600 > not to run such a braindead MTA. I think it does a disservice to people if Debian's default mail reader does not work with Debian's mail servers.

Re: Policy question

1999-02-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 06:21:14PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > In fact, you don't mean that it needs to run setuid. It merely needs > to be run _as_ a particular uid. There are several ways of achieving > this other than setuid. Two that I can think of that I'd recommend to > you are: > > * us

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-02-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 06:08:19PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > at least of declaring their packages orphaned and up for adoption. If not, > > I would like to ask that we consider drafting a policy for such a situation. > > I disagree very strongly with the implication that being a Debian > dev

Re: Policy question

1999-02-02 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 11:41:09PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: > An example of a package which already does almost exactly the same is > the secure-su package, which diverts the standard su to > /bin/su.orig/su or something like that, making /bin/su.orig mode 700, > so that noone except for root h

Re: Policy question

1999-02-01 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 06:24:22PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > That solution works well for me. > > Although I'd call it /usr/lib/listar, probably. (Did we dump That's what I meant; /usr/lib/listar/restricted-executables/ or some such. > /usr/libexec? Oh well, I'm sure there was a reason..).

Policy question

1999-02-01 Thread John Goerzen
Hello all, Section 4.9 of the Debian policy manual specifically permits deviance from the defined behavior when necessary; however, I would like to discuss a situation not contemplated by that section. The situation is this. There is a mailing list management program that needs to run setuid to

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-29 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:22:12PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > Hmmm. Both cron and nvi have some very old bugs. I haven't sent anything > to the submitters in quite a while w.r.t. those bugs. I agree that they > are bugs, but I also think that they are fairly obscure (no one else > has complai

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 11:13:43AM -0800, Darren Benham wrote: > > 2. Having that, there should be policy allowing the dismissal of people that > > gratitiously violate policy. > > It's implicit. Do we need to make it explicit? What is "gratitiously"? > Who'll make the accusation? Where will

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 09:29:41AM -0800, Darren Benham wrote: > Project Leader Delegates (currently the New-Maintainers) have the "authority" > to remove people from the project. It's up to their sole discression what is > considered removable. Of course, if they "abuse" that authority, the > r

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
. There should be policy against ignoring bugs for an excessive amount of time without good reason (eg, vacation) 2. Having that, there should be policy allowing the dismissal of people that gratitiously violate policy. > > On 28-Jan-99 John Goerzen wrote: > > Again, as I said in my

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 05:30:03PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Le Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 09:13:04AM -0600, John Goerzen écrivait: > > Again, as I said in my message, I'm not proposing removing developers that > > maintain packages with bugs, or packages with very old

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 05:25:22PM +0100, Hartmut Koptein wrote: > > In light if this, I ask if we have some mechanism for either removing a > > Not removing ... could we set these developers to an status 'hold' or a > similary > one? When do we finally remove someone? When they haven't logge

Re: Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 02:17:42PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I really don't like your idea. There are many packages with many bugs : > http://master.debian.org/~vincent/report-bybugnum.txt > And also many packages with very old bugs : > http://master.debian.org/~vincent/report-byage.txt Aga

Mechanism for removing developers

1999-01-28 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, Recently there have been several things occuring that have prompted me to start asking about this: * Despite having Important, Critical, or Grave bugs filed against their packages in frozen, some developers still ignore them. They could at least say "I can't fix this; can somebody

Re: Bug reporting proceedure, was Re: Bug#24066: libc6: rsh segfaults as , a result of new libc 2.0.7r2

1998-07-15 Thread John Goerzen
oject by reporting a bug. I often don't have time to figure out the problem and end up deleting packages if they're non-essential -- or doing some quick hack to fix it. BTW, while we're on this topic, I am ASTOUNDED at the number of packages that display messages in postinst but don&#x

Re: Bug reporting proceedure, was Re: Bug#24066: libc6: rsh segfaults as , a result of new libc 2.0.7r2

1998-07-15 Thread John Goerzen
The fact is -- if we require research beforehand, there will be FAR fewer reports. I for one will not submit any (or very few at least) bug reports if this happens. This will end up hurting Debian seriously. -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Purging database packages

1998-05-16 Thread John Goerzen
cho "Purge aborted."; exit 1;; > > ? But that defeats the purpose -- if someone wants to purge the package but leave the database, this would prevent that. -- John GoerzenLinux, Unix programming [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Deve

-O3 compilation?

1997-12-30 Thread John Goerzen
comes to mind is the X server, and gcc itself) John -- John Goerzen | Developing for Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| Debian GNU/Linux is a free replacement for [EMAIL PROTECTED] | DOS/Windows -- check it out at www.debian.org

Re: Forwarded: RFC: New source packaging format

1997-10-25 Thread John Goerzen
; like FreeBSD has certainly is enticing, and source dependencies may be a good idea, I see no reason to ditch our nice current system for a system not designed to hold sources. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| Debian GNU/Linux is a free re