TIME+ COMMAND
10229 foo 15 0 4692 1568 1260 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.33 bash
I don't remember it being terribly bad...
It would be interesting to have the above data on a whole buzz system
(as presumably the above is against sarge-era libraries.) Too bad you
can't debootstr
Bill,
"HAM" is not an acronym, so "Ham Radio" would be more appropriate.
Even better (IMHO) is the full term "Amateur Radio", but some may
disagree. I've CC'd debian-hams for their input also.
Thanks for the work on the new menu structure.
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e packages using the old ugly tricks like Samba's
2.99+3.00alpha23 ..
The ~ character deliberately has low sorting order, so 3.00~alpha23 <
3.00.
Am I free to use it?
Please CC me as I'm not subscribed (M-F-T is set correctly).
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the rationale. Please explain the need as well.
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web data and logs etc) is needed all.
Maybe you have a good reason but you need to explain it in the rationale.
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submit-bugs-style?
As it is now, if the Debian submit-bugs-to field had to change,
we'd have to recompile all the packages.
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> I resized my xterm and used a current dpkg.
Cool!
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ii kernel-package 7.04.potato.1 Debian Linux kernel package build scripts.
... the useful part of the package name is cut off.
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ble programs with shared loadable libraries. A clear mixing of
> function. Or I could just have FreeBSD braindamage.
There's other stuff in there too, if you want to be pedantic --
architecture-specific non-variable data files.
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). So what's
to discuss -- just do it if you think it's a good idea?
I don't think it's a good idea, but I digress.
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kages.)
(Other trivia: although /usr/share allows us to share files among
similar hosts, we don't really have a good way to use that advantage, do we?
There's no way to tell dpkg that it doesn't need to install files in
/usr/share because that's network mounted already.)
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dpkg will
overwrite them on upgrades. inetd.conf, exim.conf etc are not included
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in the package. (They are configuration files for the system,
so it's a bit confusing). They're definately conffiles, though, unless
otherwise managed.
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On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 03:26:09PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> Hess). I'd guess that Hamish generally approves...but unless I get at
> least one more second, I'm going to have to let these drop.
I second this proposal.
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hrow away
> the old software until you've tested the new--especially at the system and
> kernel levels.
If you want to get picky, the admin has no business installing sources
directly into /usr/src, being a vendor-controlled area. I keep my kernel
source in /usr/local/src/linux-2.2 and
ask them about upgrading
configuration files they've never heard of. You should lobby the maintainer
of the package's conffile you want to modify to give you a mechanism
(like updated-inetd etc) to do so.
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> > 4.7.4. Sharing configuration files
> > --
> >
> > Only packages that are t
this point out to avoid confusion.
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see it as possible.
In the days of buzz, rex, and bo (before I was a developer too) you
could certainly mix these reasonably well. There were some libc5 upgrades
and some dpkg upgrades which were mandatory, but nothing too serious.
(In particular, rex's dpkg (IIRC) introduced epochs.)
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On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 12:06:53AM +0200, Roland Rosenfeld wrote:
> But this doesn't solve the other problem: dpkg -L shows these symlinks
> as real man pages. This is annoying at least for me...
But why on earth are you looking for manual pages with dpkg -L?
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else.
I think the current situation is just fine, especially with
Santiago's suggestion of only creating these at install time.
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; filesystem than is /.. Just my opinion of course.
/mnt is for temporary mounts; I do not consider /cdrom to be a temporary
mount, myself. IMHO, /mnt/* is an ugly Red Hatism.
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nments. Where do real world users store their real work -- in
their home directories? What about group projects?
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On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 01:08:42AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> How about using "Builder:"? It means the same thing and is more
> graceful-looking than "Compiled-by:".
How about "Compiler: "?
:-)
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On Wed, Mar 03, 1999 at 06:10:10PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt writes ("Re: Bug#33156: debian-policy: Cannot find referenced
> file in given URL"):
> ...
> > Maintainer scripts should be written in posix or bash; no argument there.
> > However,
On Sat, Feb 20, 1999 at 06:06:42PM +0100, Brederlow wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I think this section should be removed from policy. This document
> > contains some (very arguable) reasons why new scripts should not be written
> > in csh,
1$ mail adec23!alberta!pixel.Convex.COM!tchrist
bash: !alberta!pixel.Convex.COM!tchrist: event not found
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probably hate it. So then you have to wonder whether
the kernel is actually better than Linux, and if not, is it worth doing?
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-Suggests definately not.
Only dpkg-source should need to be modified. I thought someone said
Klee had developed a dpkg variant that did this already, but I couldn't
find it poking around master.
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On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 05:56:46PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > This says that a package cannot conflict with an old version of another
> > package. That is bad!
>
> You're right. Saying that you may conflict with packages in old
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> >>>>> "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ben> The XFree86 sources as shipped use ~/.Xresources as the
> Ben> default place for user X resources. Every ot
gt; a real package, a virtual package provided by another package or a
> virtual package from the list of virtual packages.
This says that a package cannot conflict with an old version of another
package. That is bad!
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/.Xresources.
Interesting. I have .Xdefaults, and the settings in there work if
I use "startx", but not if I login on xdm.
And xdm seems to have disappeared from my system, so I can't try it now
to see if it makes the difference.
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pe you all like it.
As Ben says, it's excellent. One minor typo; it says "sounce" instead of
"source" in one place.
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ian-developer knows of.
> Perhaps he hacked info to have colors once, and he would like to keep using
> his program.
How can we support every possible custom script? The system changes;
some things will break. Custom scripts will need maintenance; I don't think
that's too unreasonab
that I download from sunsite. DFSG does not say, 'must build
> with a single command on every platform' . Finally, it makes life much
> easier for both of the developers involved.
I also have received patches this way from Paul and have no objection
to this method.
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> should push for consistency.
Consistency is to compress them -- we compress all other documentation
in /usr/doc except the copyright files.
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l too, and is all I am doing
with my packages].
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quite a bit of practice to learn how to hunt down documents.
Can you or one of the doc-base developers give me (or point me at)
an executive summary of that doc-base does?
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On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:12:43PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>
> > On generating gpg keys, how can one go about getting enough entropy on
> > one's own machine? I tried generating it on a server I have co-located
> >
ggestions?
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amp; Klee
(and other dpkg maintainers) be well within their right to break it?
Of course, it's done now (for libc6) and needs to be fixed, which
is what epochs are for, even if the manual says they aren't. They fix
incorrect version numbers, but the manual is warning against making
suc
On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:26:08PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> This I agree with. However I believe that there is a perception at
> present that if policy does not seem to fit your package, you may simply
> ignore it. I do not think that works.
That is, I think that some maintai
merely says
> that packages and policy should be consistent, and that if they're not
> then one of them should be fixed.
This I agree with. However I believe that there is a perception at
present that if policy does not seem to fit your package, you may simply
ignore it. I do not thi
;t
> the relevant policy document maintainer would agree at once.
This seems reasonable. If adopted, can we define policy to be binding
rather than just recommendations/guidelines? I have real trouble
with the idea of a policy which is non-binding (for Debian at least).
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hamish Moffatt) wrote on 10.05.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > > > >Packages only have to specify the first three digits of the
> > > > > version number in the
7; field of their source packages."
They both say the same thing to me -- >= 3.
If = 3 was intended, "must" or "should" should be used, as in
"Packages must specify only the first three digits of the version ..."
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easonable. However, in the past there has been
criticism that the same group of core people (eg Guy, Ian) are
responsible for several big tasks, and that other developers
are unwilling to take on those tasks. (IIRC, at least).
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g on; Branden's whole point was that runlevels could solve the
xdm & xfs mess in the /etc/X11/config file; your runlevel proposal
doesn't address that at all. Is "it's traditional" a good enough reason
to do things? Traditionally a Unix platform doesn't come with
vide that package
when I filed #16652 else I would have mentioned it (it still wouldn't
solve javalex's problem though).
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ded to be an X-subsitute?
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and a contrib package.
But, having written that, I think you're trying to tell me that it
doesn't matter. Building www-mysql might fail if the mysql package
is not installed, but that doesn't matter because www-pgsql can
be built successfully. Is that what you meant? Does anyone di
ne?
dpkg-buildpackage needs multiple binary targets, perhaps.
Some other packages were mentioned on debian-devel which have the same
problem; ax25utils (has some xforms support), ddd and some others.
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nst is called with purge. Isn't this a better
solution than calling the files conffiles, even though they aren't?
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d people who say outdated man pages are bad, but
> lack of knowledge of the tools available is no justification in a
> policy debate.
Not being an emacs user myself, I find info hard to use. On the other
hand, man gives you your choice of pager, so man has no such problem.
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oo.
Any simple way to configure smail to handle this? Plussed addresses
bounce here.
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On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 12:08:47AM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:
> Yes, I can only agree. But is bash actually completely POSIX-compliant
> (and nothing more than that) when called as /bin/sh ?
It would appear not:
sh-2.01$ echo hello {there,world}
hello there world
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matically to add this. I had done this in www-sql (which
benefits from configuring apache to handle .sql files) but
later found out that it's not allowed by policy.
Finding a way for apache to allow configuration modifications
would be nice but difficult I suspect.
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t simply
> > does nothing.)
>
> Tut tut! What you really mean must be: does nothing but exits with a
> non-zero status. Or else we need to reword PW#5-5.
Is a non-zero status useful? After all, cron WILL reload
the configuration, even though that isn't caused by the scri
eful?
For example, if a script is going to exit with an error for
reload, does it need to mention reload?
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on my libc6 system unfortunately. Different errors again
on a solaris-2.5 system I just tried.
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On Sat, Dec 20, 1997 at 07:02:45PM +0100, David Frey wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 20 1997 16:17 +1100 Hamish Moffatt writes:
> > On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 01:31:38PM -0500, Scott Ellis wrote:
> > > And the instant someone provides us with free software equivilant to ssh
> > > o
o
> be modified should imply that *all* scripts are useful to be modified?
Why aren't all scripts useful to be modified?
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I would prefer build time.
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(as I had not done),
it mightn't hurt to better advertise the not-necessarily-free
status of these packages.
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inly because not all shells do parse /etc/profile.
No, tcsh for example does not. Do the C shells fit in this policy?
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ed files, and you can use filename
completion to get the filename. Or you can configure your lesspipe
script to automatically decompress files.
OTOH, I don't really mind either way, just thought I would point these
things out.
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Can someone post the final agreed bo-updates naming scheme?
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of our packages. Why does KDE
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The opposit
n now, and
> everything you showed didn't impress me. i will obey any decission,
> that will be done.
What is wrong with Christian's final solution? You didn't reply.
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hat we do it.
Perhaps a field could indicate that a particular package
belongs to a group that make up a whole product, eg kde.
Then the whole lot conflict using Distributor: ..
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lation of debian
policy, which I assume is why Andreas does his own. Although
Andreas encourages us not to get the KDE people off-side,
sometimes it wouldn't hurt if the KDE people would try
not to piss us off either.
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Your train has bee
rovided with the kernel, that is) but most application software
doesn't. I don't see your point regarding linux 2.1 though.
Thanks for your reply. Regarding possible correction in FHS 2.1,
I'm just surprised this didn't come up in the discussion for FHS 2.0.
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On Sun, Nov 16, 1997 at 11:37:40PM -0800, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > But I was shocked to see the Linux annex specify that
> > /usr/include/{asm,linux} should be a symlink -> /usr/src/linux/...
> > Are we in danger
that now.
But I was shocked to see the Linux annex specify that
/usr/include/{asm,linux} should be a symlink -> /usr/src/linux/...
Are we in danger of being labelled FHS-compatible (instead
of FHS-compliant) because we do what libc6 and Linus both recommend?
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The opposi
ep aside.
What is it you don't like about SPI Dave?
It's stupid to say that the interests of SPI conflict with the interests
of Debian, because SPI was set up to service Debian. SPI gives Debian
some financial advantages, nothing more. What is the problem?
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those standing to (hopefully) take your job
> later this
> year.
If you don't have something constructive to say, please don't.
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