Bug#651035: #651035 please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Thomas Dickey
>The xterm terminfo entry does not currently advertise the smm >capability, if I am reading "infocmp xterm" output correctly. That's referring to the Debian packages for ncurses and xterm. xterm (upstream) has had smm/rmm in the terminfo description since patch #216 (2006/8/1). I've made occasio

Bug#651035: marked as done (please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations)

2011-12-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder writes: > I guess I wasn't clear. The proposal had two parts: > 1) standardizing on a default sequence to send for Alt+letter combinations > 2) documenting in policy that advertising the smm capability is a Bad Idea. > The first part seems to be what you have been responding

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: > Note that I'm not arguing against changing things in xterm, particularly > in conjunction with upstream. Just that I'm not sure it's worth writing a > policy about this, rather than making decisions specifically about the > xterm package to make it work better, better serve

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> Basically, I'm dubious the gain from this is worth the effort. Presumably >> Thomas has some reason for making xterm's default what it is currently, if >> only "it's always been that way." > The xterm terminfo entry does not currently advertise t

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan Nieder writes: >> 1. Applications should all behave the same way wrt handling of the >> Meta key in terminals. Advertising the smm capability makes that >> basically impossible. > > Basically, I'm dubious the gain from this is worth the effort. Presumably

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery writes: > Jonathan Nieder writes: >> Russ Allbery wrote: >>> My initial reaction is that I want to see a more compelling justification >>> for standardizing anything here. >> I don't think it's any more or less confusing than delete-versus- >> backspace behavior. > I do, for the s

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> My initial reaction is that I want to see a more compelling justification >> for standardizing anything here. > I don't think it's any more or less confusing than delete-versus- > backspace behavior. I do, for the simple reason that everyone uses

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: > My initial reaction is that I want to see a more compelling justification > for standardizing anything here. I don't think it's any more or less confusing than delete-versus- backspace behavior. For an example of what went wrong in the past that prompted me to suggest addin

Bug#651035: please decide how terminals should report Alt+letter combinations

2011-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
My initial reaction is that I want to see a more compelling justification for standardizing anything here. We've gone years with this behavior without standardizing anything. Are there multiple other bug reports from users for which this is confusing? Is it worth the effort for all maintainers o