Bug#197835: [PROPOSAL]: integrated environments are allowed

2003-06-17 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 07:51:00PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > @@ -7349,11 +7352,13 @@ > > > > - Thus, every program that launches an editor or pager must > - use the EDITOR or PAGER environment variable to determine > - the editor or pager the user wishes to use

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
Ok, discussion turned up two problems, fixable by changing two words: Web browsers Some programs have the ability to launch a web browser to display an URL. Since there are lots of different web browsers available in the Debian distribution, the system administrator an

Bug#197835: [PROPOSAL]: integrated environments are allowed

2003-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.10.0+cvs20030617 Severity: normal Hi, The following patch attempts to codify the current practice wrt integrated environments (can anyone think of a better term? I just sort of made that up). There should be no changes required to programs as far as I know, th

Re: cdbs and Build-Depends-Indep

2003-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 06:50, Andrew Suffield wrote: > When I do it, I ignore what policy says and do what works. That means > the build target is a no-op This, of course, has the disadvantage of making the build target useless. > (or possibly an alias for build-arch) Then it seems to me what y

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 16:58, Bill Allombert wrote: > If browser is a per-user preference, this should be a constant value for > a particular user if he has not set the preference, and letting each > programs start their browser of choice should be wrong. Debian needs to > be consistant. Sure, Deb

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 04:25:04PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 15:40, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Then as long as it is a per-user decision and not a per launcher > > program, I cannot find anything wrong with Joey proposal. > > The only problem is that Joey's proposal mak

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 15:40, Bill Allombert wrote: > Then as long as it is a per-user decision and not a per launcher > program, I cannot find anything wrong with Joey proposal. The only problem is that Joey's proposal makes programs with a preferred browser buggy. > Users have already a way to

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 02:30:12PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 06:31, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Then I have a question: If a user use both KDE and GNOME stuff in a, > > say, KDE environment, should x-www-browser always launch konqueror > > or have GNOME programs launch th

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 06:31, Bill Allombert wrote: > Then I have a question: If a user use both KDE and GNOME stuff in a, > say, KDE environment, should x-www-browser always launch konqueror > or have GNOME programs launch the GNOME browser ? I'm not sure what you mean; x-www-browser is just a sy

Re: cdbs and Build-Depends-Indep

2003-06-17 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 07:40:34PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > Well, probably the main reason we haven't hit this before is that most > people don't bother to do a proper arch/indep split in their packages, > and just stuff everything into Build-Depends. That is not true, look at bug #148932

Re: cdbs and Build-Depends-Indep

2003-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 07:40:34PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > As I've said before: Policy is either meant to document current > > practice or it's not. If it is, then it's wrong because the de facto > > implementation of build-depends disagrees with it _and always has > > done_ (or at least,

Bug#172436: followup on browser proposal

2003-06-17 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 07:27:32PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > It is broken. The whole point of an integrated environment is that it's > integrated. When I choose a theme, it's used by every application. > When I pick an application to handle a certain file type, it's handled > by all of them.