Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 22:00, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 09:12:36PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > However, if these programs display > > them to the user on a tty, it will be necessary to convert them to the > > user's locale encoding > > Hmm. Remember the far more common

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 09:12:36PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > However, if these programs display > them to the user on a tty, it will be necessary to convert them to the > user's locale encoding Hmm. Remember the far more common case of a program that takes a filename on the command line and

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 15:13, Denis Barbier wrote: > Consider a program written in C, which creates new files with open(2); > if I understand your proposal right, when a filename is not UTF-8 > encoded, it should be converted into UTF-8 according to user's locale. Well, broadly speaking, there are

Bug#99933: Bug#174982: [PROPOSAL]: Debian changelogs should be UTF-8 encoded

2003-01-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:41:47PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 11:07, Michael Bramer wrote: > > > The DDTP has no problmes with UTF-8 in control fields. Some maintainer > > use UTF-8 or something else with 'some translations' in the descriptions. > > > > This is not nice.

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:21:11PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > A while back, on one of my other lists, there was a discussion about > user configuration files for the program and where to put them. That > led to how frustrated many users were with the dot files just littering > their home

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 12:09:09PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 09:23, Denis Barbier wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 12:10:42PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > [...] > > > What *is* debatable is when and how to make the transition, which is > > > what we're doing now. > >

Bug#99933: Bug#174982: [PROPOSAL]: Debian changelogs should be UTF-8 encoded

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 11:07, Michael Bramer wrote: > The DDTP has no problmes with UTF-8 in control fields. Some maintainer > use UTF-8 or something else with 'some translations' in the descriptions. > > This is not nice. > > The policy should be: use normal ACSII and UTF-8 encoding if you use

Bug#99933: Bug#174982: [PROPOSAL]: Debian changelogs should be UTF-8 encoded

2003-01-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 02:36:16AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > [ CC'd to the Debian Description Translation Project maintainer, as he > may be interested ] thanks > On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 13:24, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:45, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > > > #99933 goes

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 04:30:48AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Recent programs do not have user-editable configuration files anyway. Parse error. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:08:45PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Still speaking as a user, I'm not annoyed by a dotfile per program I > use. I'm much more annoyed by all the useless dotfiles, created by > programs that I run once, and never again, without even having saved a > configuration, or do

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 09:23, Denis Barbier wrote: > On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 12:10:42PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > [...] > > What *is* debatable is when and how to make the transition, which is > > what we're doing now. > [...] > > So how to implement your proposal? > The main issue is to patch

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 08:05, Sebastian Rittau wrote: > (Evolution is bad enough by creating an "evolution" directory in my > homne [...] The reason it does this is because evolution's directory isn't just configuration files; it also contains all your mail. Having your mail hidden away in a . d

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 12:10:42PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: [...] > What *is* debatable is when and how to make the transition, which is > what we're doing now. [...] So how to implement your proposal? The main issue is to patch glibc API so that filenames are supposed to be UTF-8 encoded. Has

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:08:45PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > su, 05-01-2003 kello 03:21, Jamin W. Collins kirjoitti: > > So, what do you folks think? Would it be worth while to have a Debian > > policy regarding the placement of user configuration files in a > > configuration sub directory of

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Sebastian Rittau
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 02:37:07AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I like the idea. I vote for ~/etc, though, not ~/.etc; there's little > point hiding this one directory name if it is going to contain all of > the configuration data. While the general idea of having all configuration files in one

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Colin Walters | On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 19:22, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | | > And any hard coded scripts using -d norsk (or -d bokmal) for getting | > Norwegian ispell output. | | Hm, but if the filename is already UTF-8, what is the problem? It isn't in stable, which means that I want to keep co

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 05-01-2003 kello 03:21, Jamin W. Collins kirjoitti: > So, what do you folks think? Would it be worth while to have a Debian > policy regarding the placement of user configuration files in a > configuration sub directory of the user's home dir? Speaking as a user, I'd hate this change. It woul

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread David B Harris
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 05:30:46 -0500 David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for you leaving Debian ... why do people always bring that out? > Jeeze. Just to clarify. One can assume that if Debian Policy starts mandating things without merit and which cause our users problems, then users will

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread David B Harris
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:28:40 + Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words, somebody will be told "that bug's fixed in the > development version of this package upstream", so they go and try it > out. But, hey presto, not only does it ignore the configuration set up > while using th

Re: Policy Suggestion - User Configuration Files

2003-01-05 Thread David B Harris
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 04:30:48 +0100 Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Maybe ask on the FHS list for comments, too? > This is outside FHS-domain. But I think that a so big change from > standard UNIX practice would be so stupid that if accepted I would > probably leave debian. It's been sta

Bug#99933: Bug#174982: [PROPOSAL]: Debian changelogs should be UTF-8 encoded

2003-01-05 Thread Colin Walters
[ CC'd to the Debian Description Translation Project maintainer, as he may be interested ] On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 13:24, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:45, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > #99933 goes a lot farther than #174982. First of all, we can't even > > > suggest that people