Re: Implementation of Developer's DB

1998-01-16 Thread Mark W. Eichin
> I've only heard about using "+" end of last year. AFAIK, the first place the idea of having user+foo for mail sorting was widely used was the CMU Andrew project; they used + as the seperator, and were doing this as far back as 1988, I think...

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 10:40:43AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 12:08:47AM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > > > Yes, I can only agree. But is bash actually completely POSIX-compliant > > > (and nothing more than that) when ca

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Mark Baker
On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 06:59:58PM +, James Troup wrote: > > A quick check shows that ksh also does brace expansion, but (pd)ksh > > doesn't. > > 19:58:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ~/temp $ksh > $echo {foo,blah} > foo blah > $ Yes, I think Adrian got them the wrong way round. pdksh does; AT+T ksh does

Versionning of non-standalone library packages

1998-01-16 Thread Yann Dirson
Hi there, Some upstream packages (eg. e2fsprogs) contain shared libraries which can be debian-packaged in their own package (eg. libcom_err, now in packages comerr{2g,g-dev}). Until now, I let the versions of library packages be the same as the e2fsprogs deb-package's version. However, this mean

Re: splitting debian-devel-changes

1998-01-16 Thread Chris Lawrence
---Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 05:01:57PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > > Well, now that the Debian ports generate a lot of postings in > > > > debian-devel-changes, I think it is time to split that list by > > > > architecture. > > > >

Re: splitting debian-devel-changes

1998-01-16 Thread Martin Schulze
On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 05:01:57PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > Well, now that the Debian ports generate a lot of postings in > > > debian-devel-changes, I think it is time to split that list by > > > architecture. > > > > Why not just use scoring in Gnus? > > We not just creat

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread James Troup
Adrian Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A quick check shows that ksh also does brace expansion, but (pd)ksh > doesn't. Que? 19:58:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ~/temp $sudo dpkg -iEG pdksh_5.2.13-1.deb [...] 19:58:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ~/temp $ksh $echo {foo,blah} foo blah $ -- James

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 10:40:43AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 12:08:47AM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > > Yes, I can only agree. But is bash actually completely POSIX-compliant > > (and nothing more than that) when called as /bin/sh ? > > It would appear not: > > sh-2

Re: doc only packages

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 14.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Is it necessary that we're allowed to change the content of documents in > > main? I would like to package the standard documents from W3, but they > > don't allow to change the content. And this makes sense, because this > > documen

Re: PW#5-11: Policy on stripping static libraries

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) wrote on 15.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> * a shared unstripped lib, compiled with -DDEBUG, with the same > > >>name.soname of the runtime lib, installed in a different dir > > >> (/usr/lib/debug) which *ISN'T* in /etc/ld.so.conf > > > > > > W

Re: PW#5-3: How packages can register cron jobs

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian White) wrote on 15.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The current policy does not allow packages to touch /etc/crontab > > > anymore. This is because we don't allow packages to modify other > > > packages configuration files. > > > > We should also correct the policy to

Re: PW#5-5: Standardized handling of /etc/init.d script options

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Harris) wrote on 15.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Christian" == Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Steve Greenland wrote: > >> On another note, what about things like cron, which don't *need* > >> reload -- it tracks its conffiles,

Re: Implementation of Developer's DB

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) wrote on 14.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "Martin" == Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 03:16:00PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > >> Some people might want to be able to prefilter their mail into > >> f

Re: Implementation of Developer's DB

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) wrote on 15.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Here's a paste-in of the `sendmail-8.8.8' ruleset 5. The part after So sendmail defaults to using "+" (and in an IMHO only half-implemented way - why am I not surprised?). So? Exim can use anything at all, both

Re: Implementation of Developer's DB

1998-01-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 15.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 10:17:26AM +, Philip Hands wrote: > > I thought that the convention was to use ``minused'' addresses for this: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > That's certainly the qmail way of doing things, and I seem to re

Re: PW#5-7: Linking shared libraries with -lc

1998-01-16 Thread Brian White
> > One of the release goals for Debian 2.0 has been to link all shared > > libraries dynamically against each other. This can be done by using the > > `-lc' option when linking the library. With that, the library will contain > > valuable dependency information about which other libraries the libr

Re: splitting debian-devel-changes

1998-01-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 14 Jan 1998, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > "Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Well, now that the Debian ports generate a lot of postings in > > debian-devel-changes, I think it is time to split that list by > > archit

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Brian White
> If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the > startup behavior of historical versions of sh as closely > as possible, while conforming to the POSIX standard as > well. > >So, if POSIX says that the example above should be > >$

Re: PW#5-11: Policy on stripping static libraries

1998-01-16 Thread fpolacco
On 16 Jan, joost witteveen wrote: > > Most security people seem to agree that security-wise it's > better to have shared binaries. > I'm not a security expert, so I can take this for granted. >> If the libs are compiled with -DDEBUG > > They aren't. Yours maybe. Mine are. Some sources embeds

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 12:08:47AM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > > Yes, I can only agree. But is bash actually completely POSIX-compliant > > (and nothing more than that) when called as /bin/sh ? > > It would appear not: > > sh-2.01$ echo hello {the

Re: PW#5-13: New virtual packages

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As long as bash is tagged `Essential: Yes', I don't think we need special > dependencies for posix-shell. Yes. > However, managing /bin/sh through alternatives sounds like a good idea to > me. Yes. I already have a bug report to do this. Waiting

Re: PW#5-12: New upload procedure

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >3.) [check for new packages every ten minutes] >Check if package upload was complete and the files are correct >(i.e. check PGP signature, MD5 sums, correct .changes file, etc.) >If there is an error send ma

Re: PW#5-11: Policy on stripping static libraries

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) writes: > Sometimes one hears people say they need static binaries for security > reasons Static libraries are useful when you want to compile something for people that might not be using a Debian system. For example, I've recently heard that the Redhat mainta

Re: PW#5-9: Non-interactive build process of packages

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Current (unwritten) policy is to require that all other targets of > debian/rules are also non-interactive. All other _required_ targets. It's certainly ok for additional targets to be interactive. Guy

Re: PW#5-7: Linking shared libraries with -lc

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One of the release goals for Debian 2.0 has been to link all shared > libraries dynamically against each other. This can be done by using the > `-lc' option when linking the library. With that, the library will contain > valuable dependency informati

Re: PW#5-5: Standardized handling of /etc/init.d script options

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > force-reload if possible do a "reload", otherwise "restart" Can anybody think of something better than `force-reload' for this option? > All these options have to be provided by all scripts. If an option is > not possible (i.e.,

Re: PW#5-4: Gzipped symlinks

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Though this works perfectly with "man", it's completely controversal It doesn't work with xman. That should be reason enough not to do it. Guy

Re: PW#5-2: Maintainer's reaction on non-maintainer uploads

1998-01-16 Thread Guy Maor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > I thought we had agreed on > > * If the nmu fixes many bugs, close the bugs, but reopen a new one > with the diffs No, there's often times valuable information in the bug report. What if the non-maintainer release doesn't correctly fix the bug?

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Ben Pfaff
If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the startup behavior of historical versions of sh as closely as possible, while conforming to the POSIX standard as well. So, if POSIX says that the example above should be $ echo hello {the

Re: PW#5-11: Policy on stripping static libraries

1998-01-16 Thread joost witteveen
> > -dev: Only headers, and the ".so -> .so.minor" symlink > > -dbg: Eighter static or shared (need to discuss this probably, maybe both) > > libs with debugging info. > > > > This proposal is very different from what we have now, and we really should > > discus this before this become

Re: /bin/sh as an alternative

1998-01-16 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 12:08:47AM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > > Yes, I can only agree. But is bash actually completely POSIX-compliant > > (and nothing more than that) when called as /bin/sh ? > > It would appear not: > > sh-2.01$ echo hello {the