Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 01:03:36PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Matt Ryan wrote: > > Adam Heath wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilk

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Matt Ryan wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > > >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponso

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 01:03:36PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Matt Ryan wrote: > > Adam Heath wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilk

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Matt Ryan wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > > >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponso

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:50:18PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > > >* DAM Comment: Have asked appli

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:50:18PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > > >* DAM Comment: Have asked appli

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:33:11 -0700 (PDT) tony mancill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, this thread should probably be on newmaint, so I'm cross-posting > it there. Please follow-up on newmaint. Replied to debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org, Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpbV9LOVYaBg.pgp De

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread tony mancill
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, David B Harris wrote: > Hardly. Every Debian Developer has the ability to run arbitrary code as > root on everybody's system. Do you want to try and make the argument > that regardless of whether the person has proved spiteful, unstable, > mean, and just generally a jackass ..

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:33:11 -0700 (PDT) tony mancill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, this thread should probably be on newmaint, so I'm cross-posting > it there. Please follow-up on newmaint. Replied to [EMAIL PROTECTED], Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signa

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread tony mancill
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, David B Harris wrote: > Hardly. Every Debian Developer has the ability to run arbitrary code as > root on everybody's system. Do you want to try and make the argument > that regardless of whether the person has proved spiteful, unstable, > mean, and just generally a jackass ..

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:47:57 -0700 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 > David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a > > whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant thin

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a > whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant things > happening to the Debian community and to our users at some point. Given

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:50:18 +0100 "Matt Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > > >* DAM Comment: H

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:47:57 -0700 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 > David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a > > whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant thin

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a > whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant things > happening to the Debian community and to our users at some point. Given

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:50:18 +0100 "Matt Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Heath wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > > >* DAM Comment: H

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Matt Ryan
Adam Heath wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. > > Read the list archives. You'll find that t

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Matt Ryan
Adam Heath wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. > > Read the list archives. You'll find that t

continued in -newmaint (Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done)

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
I wrote: > [ stuff that should have gone to -newmaint ] Lack of sufficient sleep tends to do that to people. Sorry. -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. > [ Also continued in -newmaint. Sorry about the confusion. ] -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. > The problem is that the last step doesn't have an odometer, nor a gas gauge, thus you don't know your mileage until you arrive. Anyway, [1] states that the DAM does have a backup (joey). Apparently, both haven't been able t

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Might it be possible to replace the single-point-of-failure DAM with a > Peer Review system? I.e., some DDs (the existing AMs?) are tasked with It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. -- * There is no sweeter sound than

continued in -newmaint (Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done)

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
I wrote: > [ stuff that should have gone to -newmaint ] Lack of sufficient sleep tends to do that to people. Sorry. -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. > [ Also continued in -newmaint. Sorry about the confusion. ] -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. [ continued in debian-newmaint ] -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Mix a little foolishness with you

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Might it be possible to replace the single-point-of-failure DAM with a > Peer Review system? I.e., some DDs (the existing AMs?) are tasked with It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. -- * There is no sweeter sound than

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. > The problem is that the last step doesn't have an odometer, nor a gas gauge, thus you don't know your mileage until you arrive. Anyway, [1] states that the DAM does have a backup (joey). Apparently, both haven't been able t

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. [ continued in debian-newmaint ] -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Mix a little foolishness with you

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 09:16, Jepri wrote: > On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > > Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an > > excessive > > amount of time, what about all the others? Do you conside

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 09:16, Jepri wrote: > On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > > Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an > > excessive > > amount of time, what about all the others? Do you conside

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jepri
On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an excessive amount of time, what about all the others? Do you consider the wait times listed as reasonable and to be expected?

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. > >

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the list archives. You'll find that this person might never be allo

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jepri
On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an excessive amount of time, what about all the others? Do you consider the wait times listed as reasonable and to be expected? As

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr > >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. > >

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr >* DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the list archives. You'll find that this person might never be allo