MJ Ray a écrit :
Fathi Boudra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Upstream author find a solution :
The next version of KScope, due shortly, uses 'dot' from the command-line=20
instead of dynamically linking with graphviz. This should solve all licensi=
ng problems.
That seems a good solution. Thanks
George Danchev a écrit :
On Saturday 08 July 2006 08:41, Don Armstrong wrote:
We've stepped into -legal territory now. MFT set to send messages only
to -legal; please respond there only.
Sure.
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006, George Danchev wrote:
Well, I have the following 'and' vs. 'o
x27;s here.
>
> Please note that is not a consensus here.
The BSD license is DFSG-free because the DFSG explicitly states
that it is free. The DFSG was written long before UC removed the
advertising clause, so this is the version of the BSD license
that the DFSG references.
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Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Debian Bug Tracking System ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041123 20:55]:
>>* Removed documentation. Hope this makes everyone happy. Closes:
>> #281671, #281672, #143536.
>
> No, it doesn't. I hope that you don't mind to much for speaking
> that.
Take
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ben Pfaff wrote:
>> They've concluded that the GNU FDL does not satisfy the DFSG,
>
> Yes.
>
>> and that everything in Debian (apparently modulo licenses
>> themselves) must satisfy the D
re debian-legal will have more to say on this point.
Ben
d we have to put GNU hello into non-free because people in
China then couldn't legally distribute Debian?
Ben
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:57:55PM -0800, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
> Ah. I parsed it as (patents that make their distribution problematic)
> or (other issues that make their distribution problematic).
>
> Maybe we need more operator precedence in English..
>
> In any case, I
g or not shipping the
code does not change your freedom to use it.
If you want to change that contact the appropriate governmental
representative.
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kept a good
history of constributors or wrote it entirely yourself.
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cipation in working with the other Copyright holder to find a
solution that gives you the protection that you desire and gives us
license terms that we consider free/libre.
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t off part of the tail, but it is pretty
darn obvious that it's from the same source.
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n certify that it
is an original work? If SPI can do that they have a case of a clear
derivative work. If SPI can't do that then Debian needs a different
logo.
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ly also
under the BSD-with-advertising-clause (since that's what vm_random's
copyright notice says). In this case, my understanding is that UC Berkeley
cannot change the licensing for someone else's modifications.
Ben.
Hi,
> So the mentioned paragraph in vm_random.c should be considered struck as per
> July 22, 1999
In which case, could you (or someone else willing to take this
responsibility) please delete the clause from vm_random.c in CVS to
avoid future confusion?
Thanks - Ben.
> Good idea, I added
(...)
Many thanks.
Ben.
).
If it is too difficult to case up all the contributers to vm_random.c,
might it be easier to alter the licensing on the KDE portions of the
screensaver (the GPLed parts) in the meantime?
Ben.
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/hpfreeware/Games/Arcade/blockade-1.00/blockade-1.00.README.html
which listed these email addresses for the author:
old: mcgill-vision!mouse
new: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some Google searches based on these email addresses might be useful.
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t hold a trademark on the logo.
It's somewhat difficult to use a logo without making a copy and
distributing it.
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the interpretation of what
is an acceptable and not-acceptable free software license. You're free
to license your software anyway you choose. And of course Debian, and
other projects are free to reject it on this basis or whatever other
considerations are important for their project.
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we
really can't come to some sort of compromise then I guess I'll just have
to look elsewhere for a JPEG-2000 impelmentation. This is not meant as
a threat. It's just the reality of the licensing situation.
Standard disclaimers apply. I'm not a lawyer nor is this legal advice.
It's based on my own lay understanding of the law. And it's mostly
based on US law which may not be entirely applicable to you since you're
in Canada.
[1] http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/261.html
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reach a resolution to this licensing problem.
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doesn't have any
applicable patents that they own. Your wording is very similar to IBM's
2c, but then this is pretty boiler plate language.
Making the change I suggested to 3 above would make your license
acceptable as far as I can see without really changing the protection
that you're receiving under it.
I hope this helps. FYI IANAL TINLA.
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:07:28AM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The inclusion of the GPL licensed file triggers the requirements of
> > section 2b of the GPL, which requires that the entire work be GPL'd.
>
> This i
publically available.
The problem with non-free is that some things in it may not meet the
definition of publically available. For instance a tool that didn't
include the source code would not qualify, even if the binaries are
freely distributable.
IANAL, TINLA.
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broadly to apply the
operating system exception. All of which can reasonably be accepted as
valid interpretations.
I'm not sure if FSF has weighed in on this issue but I'd guess Debian
would yield to whatever their interpretation of the issue was.
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eme
Court, the battle is far from over.
I'd guess the DVD-CCA decided continuing to insist that CSS is a trade
secret was pointless when they were loosing the case and the case didn't
ultimately change the outcome they desired.
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inted
as well. Fortunately, we no longer have to worry about that. They lost
in Norway and California. I think that issue is dead.
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GPL or they really can comply with both. I'd be very
surpised if they worked out such an agreement with the DVD-CCA. People
who are sue other people to stop them from distributing such information
don't tend to turn around and sign an agreement with someone else to
allow them to do so i
aminate other software? No
Is the clause necessary? In my opinion No. But it has nothing to do
with the DFSG. I think you realize this because you neglected to
mention which clause of the DFGS Clause 4 violated.
P.S. I'm not speaking for Debian or anyone else. But rather speaki
easily solved. All the remaining huge problems are, i think, of
> political and project leadership power struggle nature, which i think is
> a sad thing.
I concur fully with this assessment.
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he question of if there is a copyright
on the work. Ask them and see if they would be willing to write a
statement regarding that and publish it on their website.
If they were to proclaim that they considered the works to be in the
public domain, it'd be difficult for them to claim otherwise
unreasonable requests. None of the tests in Q8 on the
first URL you gave are failed.
Let's assume that Clause 4 doesn't even exist in the license now. Can
the author still sue you into oblivion for using his trademarks? You
betcha.
In fact this license is explicitly giving you
Eric Dorland wrote:
Hi Ben,
Hi Eric,
I'm replying to this including our QA person, Asa Dotzler who is
interested in these matters.
You probably don't know me, so let me introduce myself: I'm the
Firefox maintainer in Debian. I'm contacting you because of the
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 08:47:09PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-03-01 18:35:13 +0000 Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Did you read the license we're talking about?
>
> I was referring to
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200402/msg0015
s but rather
seek an explanation from them. I've emailed them privately asking for
clarification on Clause 4. I have not asked about Clause 3 since it is
clearly directly copied from the Apache 1.1 license.
> First you write that claiming DFSG compliance is ridiculous, and now
> yo
nless they don't post directly here.
I'd rather everyone gets this from directly rather than indirectly.
> It's easy to misunderstand "denying it as DFSG compliant is
> ridiculous".
Yeah I realize the ambiguity now.
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you could comment on the issues raised in this email it would be most
helpful:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200402/msg00162.html
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On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 04:12:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 02:28:37PM -0800, Ben Reser wrote:
> > 1) Do you need the right to use the name of the copyright holder in
> > order to make free use of the software?
>
> Copyright doesn't cove
eels this clause is necessary?
Based upon what I've been told from them directly they included it
because it had always been there. They wanted a license that was
similar to the existing X licenses.
I really don't understand why the X-Oz / XFree86 licenses are being
picked on (and I reall
isticated about these things. That way, we better serve
> the interests of our friends who are bored to tears by legal crap and
> would rather just be writing and debugging code.
Okay, so I've wrongly accussed you of picking on a particular license.
But seeing the strong argument against this license and pretty much not
mentioning the other licenses (excluding XFree86 1.1) it seemed that
way.
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e crux. I have argued that, depending on what is meant, it
> fails DFSG 9. You say it doesn't -- do you hold that position
> regardless of what clarification as to the meaning may be forthcoming
> from X-Oz Technologies, Inc.?
If they came back and said your interpretation is correct I
ritten
permission.
(Note that this is the BSD endorsement clause without the language about
contributors names)
2) Would you consider using this language instead of your existing
language for Clause 4 if it would relieve some fears that people have
about your license and resulted in better
ht to use the
> name of a copyright holder for promotional purposes automatically
> attaches to any copyright license, no matter how liberal its terms. Can
> you tell us why X-Oz Technology, Inc., feels this clause is necessary?
I'm going to assume that X-Oz is going to find these questi
u mean by conditional.
But the old XFree86 license (XFree86 4.3 and older, identified as the
XFree86 1.0 license) has the exact same language. It's the very last
sentence in the license, has no numbering and is after the disclaimer.
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Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...license for cryptlib...]
Except for proper names, this is identical to the license for
the libdb4.0 package, which is already in Debian main.
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On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 09:18:57PM -0800, Ben Reser wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 04:04:22AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> > "Redo my work, Branden"?
>
> No, I think them making statements directly here is more effective than
> me relaying them. Like I said in another
st/svn/archive-2004-03/0001.shtml
Later on in the thread I explicitly ask Brian if this is what he meant
(my summary above) in the linked message and he says yes.
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On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 02:15:27PM -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > [...license for cryptlib...]
>
> Except for proper names, this is identical to the license for
> the libdb4.0 package, which is already in Debian main.
To
erstood.
My guess would be the author doesn't want the viral nature of the GPL.
They want copyleft, but not copyleft that is as restrictive about the
nature under which the source is made available.
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On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:17:12PM -0800, Ben Reser wrote:
> If the cryptlib author would state that he agrees with sleepycat's
> clarifications then I don't think there are any problems with this
> license.
Upon further review looks like the author has done this basically on
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 09:46:15PM -0500, selussos wrote:
> I am unaware of what AIUI means so I cannot comment on
> this at all.
As I Understand It
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e X-Oz license, someone needs to deal with the XFree86 1.0
license as well.
[1] http://www.x-oz.com/licenses.html
[2] http://www.xfree86.org/legal/licenses
[3] http://www.x.org/Downloads_terms.html
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license for Torque has this additional phrase:
>
> "After December 31, 2001, only conditions 3-6 must be met"
Conditions 3 and 4 refer to condition 7. Is this license meant
as some sort of sadistic logic puzzle for lawyers?
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Perhaps somewhere the fact that I released it to the public domain
must have been lost.
-j
could legally remove the
copyright notice and permission notice?
The lack of a clear distinction between source and binary for video
means that the licence is much more like copyleft than the originali
(but without any mention of a preferred form). Does anyone on the
video team see this as a problem?
Francesco Poli wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 03:34:12 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> > This is a proposed licence text for the Debconf video recordings
> > (and potentially other audio and video recordings), based on the MIT/X
> > licence:
> >
> > He
[Sorry for the dupe, Don. I meant to reply only to these lists.]
Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2006, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Thanks for the diff.
> This is pretty much is just the XFree86 license; I don't think there's
> any problem with works under this licence be
POSE AND
NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE
LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION
OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION
-WITH THE RECORDING OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE RECORDING.
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facts, it is probably not
copyrightable in the United States, in the same way that a phone
book is not copyrightable.
I wouldn't presume to say anything about other countries, but
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> > Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>
> To be more explicit you could say 'usage, modification, or distribution.'
Since, as investigation int
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> > Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> I am saying that the driver does not "depend" on the firmware
> >> because its functionality does not change if the firmware i
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> > absence of a firmware program, to the point that it becomes
> > useless without it, it's still the same program; but it still
>
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> > to review the license:
> > http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads&id=1a
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David Martinez CSIC RedIRIS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The WB-ADPCM algorithm was developed by British Telecommunications plc.
> Permission has been granted to use it for non-commercial research and
> development projects. BT retain the intellectual property rights to this
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> John Galt raises an important point here. I've posted small shots of all
> the themes at http://people.debian.org/~bab/themes/ and I would love if
> people could take a glanc
Hi.. thank you both for your replies. Unfortunately the two responses gave
opposite answers, so I'm no less confused, but at least I'm feeling a little
less embarrassed about my confusion now :).
Anyway, I shall continue to wait and see what other thoughts are posted.
Thanks,
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