non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Hi all! I have just packaged a driver for wifi cards. The driver is licensed under GPL, but the cards needs a non-free firmware to be uploaded in order to work. I don't know in which section the driver should go? main or contrib. I have been told that the driver does not need any firmware, b

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:08:25 +0200 Aurelien Jarno wrote: > I don't know in which section the driver should go? main or contrib. I > have been told that the driver does not need any firmware, but the > card does. Probably the right question to ask is: is there any chance to use the driver without

Re: Web application licenses

2004-10-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: >>>Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Glenn Maynard wrote: >Here's a case that I'd remembered vaguely but havn't been able to find >again >until now: > >http://

Re: firmware status for eagle-usb-*: non-distributable

2004-10-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Martin Braure de Calignon wrote: > I wanted to know if the binary files in the > eagle-usb-{utils,data,source} package are free. No. > When I get the source of the package (apt-get source), there is a > LICENSE file in the root directory which says that the package is GPL. > But in the eagle-us

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Hi all! > > I have just packaged a driver for wifi cards. The driver is licensed > under GPL, but the cards needs a non-free firmware to be uploaded in > order to work. > > I don't know in which section the driver should go? main or contrib. I > have been told that the dr

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>The trademark rights are entirely separate, and there's no reason for >>>Debian to license them in any way other than "Free for use if there's >>>no confusion with Debian, either because they refer to Debian or >>>because th

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the driver does not provide any significant functionality without the > firmware, it belongs in contrib. > > If there are some cards which the driver drives which work without the > firmware, it can go in main. Nowadays very few drivers will work

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>Please note that I did not say that a work is non-free if it can be >>transformed to contain a trademarked item, any more than a work is >>non-free if it can be transformed to contain a copyrighted work to which >>we don't have a Fr

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have just packaged a driver for wifi cards. The driver is licensed >under GPL, but the cards needs a non-free firmware to be uploaded in >order to work. I will quote from policy 2.2.2: Examples of packages which would be included in _contrib_ or _non-US/co

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Probably the right question to ask is: is there any chance to use the >driver without touching the non-free firmware (nor any other non-free >stuff, for that matters)? Can you quote which part of the policy describes this criteria? -- ciao, Marco

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >If the driver does not provide any significant functionality without the >firmware, it belongs in contrib. The driver provides all of its functionality without the firmware, the firmware never becomes part of the driver. The hardware device may or may not provide useful f

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Josh Triplett wrote: Similarly, the logo/"logo image" is used to identify Debian as Debian; it could be argued (and is currently being argued by many) that we need a license which prohibits those uses we find "undesirable", such as use by competing (or even friendly) distributions. Again, this

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Josh Triplett wrote: That's a huge leap, and I seriously doubt it was intended by the drafters of DFSG4. I would argue very strongly against that interpretation. A name is just that, a name: some text moniker that identifies a project. "GCC", "grub", "Linux", and "Apache" are all names. A lo

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-10 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Mon, 2004-11-10 at 01:50 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >Probably the right question to ask is: is there any chance to use the > >driver without touching the non-free firmware (nor any other non-free > >stuff, for that matters)? > Can you quote which part of the policy describes this criteria?

[Fwd: Re: firmware status for eagle-usb-*: non-distributable]

2004-10-10 Thread Martin Braure de Calignon
--- Begin Message --- Thanks for your answer, I have a mail from one of the developper of this software : There's a wiki url to see about that : http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=DeveloppementGPL It seems to me (Benoit Audouard) that you incorrectly inferred that we want to change licen

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Josh Triplett wrote: > >> That's a huge leap, and I seriously doubt it was intended by the >> drafters of DFSG4. I would argue very strongly against that >> interpretation. A name is just that, a name: some text moniker that >> identifies a project. "GCC", "grub", "L

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 03:51:11PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > I strongly disagree with that, as I do with anything other than a set of > words being called a name. Why should this be an issue? It's clear that trademarks serve an identification role. We interpret the DFSG according to its spir

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-10-10 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
But trademarks don't cover works. Your whole message treats trademarks as a funny sort of copyright which sometimes doesn't follow chains of derivation. They aren't. They're a completely different beast. For example, your model doesn't deal at all with the fact that we have the string "IBM" pac