Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-07-07 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-07-07 12:42:22 +0100 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 12:32:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: >> I just got a cc of questions sent by a Mozilla rep to the relevant >> person. >> More news later, hopefully. [...] > Has there been any progress on this? Not mu

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-07-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 12:32:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > I just got a cc of questions sent by a Mozilla rep to the relevant > person. More news later, hopefully. I'm still catching up on the list, so I may have missed your followup to this (though there was none to this message)... Has there be

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-27 11:50:21 +0100 Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If there is a choice of venue clause (and it's considered valid, which it likely would be), it's likely that it would require a US defendant to go to Santa Clara to avoid summary judgement. Yes, it seems I got it total

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: > > > If there are no active patents covering the software, > > Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively > enforced or not. If the license does not grant a patent license in > respect

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Stock objection to choice of venue clauses is that they force people >> to travel at their own expense. In essence they attempt to bypass the >> legal system by making it prohibitively expensive for some

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:57:06PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > >>I didn't find the reference given in the draft summary particularly > >>helpful > >>in understandi

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-23 19:16:34 +0100 Jim Marhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think I also referenced Bug #211765, where the license is described as non-free, and a longer discussion is referenced: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/09/msg00410.html OK, I missed that. The SGI F S L B clause seems

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I didn't find the reference given in the draft summary particularly helpful in understanding why this makes something non-free, and similar terms are in some licen

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:41:51AM +0530, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: > > > If there are no active patents covering the software, > > Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively > enforced or not. If the license does

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: > If there are no active patents covering the software, Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively enforced or not. If the license does not grant a patent license in respect of the software released, people

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Jim Marhaus
MJ wrote: > The reference offered as showing that SGI B is considered non-free only > showed one post to me, not a discussion. I think I also referenced Bug #211765, where the license is described as non-free, and a longer discussion is referenced: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/09/msg004

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > 1. It does not allow derived works to be distributed under the same > > terms as > > the original software (DFSG #3). > > If there are no active patents covering the software, I think clauses > 2.1(b) and 2.1(d) are no-ops. If there wer

Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread MJ Ray
Dear debian-legal subscribers, Certain developers and others are promoting the idea that debian-legal has declared the Mozilla Public Licence, which I don't think we have, but sadly the thread has died out. I think that the large number of responses to the "draft summary" shows that there is no