Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-18 Thread Ben Finney
Jim Larus writes: > I give permission to anyone to modify and distribute spim and xspim, > so long as my name and copyright remains on the code. I'm not sure whether the wording of this is sufficient. The good news is that the intent seems a perfect match for the “Expat license” terms. Could yo

RE: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Larus
-Original Message- From: Ben Finney [mailto:ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:41 PM To: Jim Larus Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org; Mackenzie Morgan Subject: Re: RFS: spim Jim Larus writes: > Just to confirm: I give permission to any open source project

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Ben Finney
Jim Larus writes: > Just to confirm: I give permission to any open source project to > modify and distribute spim and xspim, so long as my name and copyright > remains on the code. Thanks for persisting with this. However, this is insufficient for the work to meet the Debian Free Software Guide

RE: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Larus
://research.microsoft.com/~larus   425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: paul.is.w...@gmail.com [mailto:paul.is.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wise Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:59 PM To: Jim Larus Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org; Mackenzie Morgan Subject: Re: RFS: spim On Thu, Nov 12, 2009

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Jim Larus wrote: > OK, let's make this simple. > > The Debian project has permission to distribute spim and xspim. ... > Is this sufficient? Great, thanks! Some permission to modify and distribute modified versions would be useful in the case a bug needs to be

RE: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Larus
t Research http://research.microsoft.com/~larus 425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: Ben Finney [mailto:ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:20 PM To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Cc: Mackenzie Morgan; Jim Larus Subject: Re:

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > Far better than a separate statement in email, the full license terms > should simply be updated in a new release of the work. That way, every > recipient has access to the full terms under which they can act. > > Then the new license terms can be discussed as a whole here on

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Ben Finney
Mackenzie Morgan writes: > On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: > > Perhaps the copyright holder doesn't realise that, if he grants > > additional permissions that “welcome packaging and redistribution”, > > that *is* changing the license (at least, the license as received by >

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: > Paul Wise writes: > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > > This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the > > > copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this > > > in ‘non-free’? >

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-27 Thread Ben Finney
Mackenzie Morgan writes: > On Monday 19 October 2009 5:10:54 am Ben Finney wrote: > > Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit > > license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in > > ‘non-free’. > > I talked to Larus and he said he would send a statement t

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-27 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 19 October 2009 5:10:54 am Ben Finney wrote: > Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit > license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. I talked to Larus and he said he would send a statement to Debian Legal. Does that work? -- Ma

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-27 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Ben Finney writes: >> * Package name: spim >> Version : 7.5-1 When I was asked to some university exercises with spim I used spimsal 4.4.2, a fork of an older version of spim that advertises itself to be available under the terms of the GPL v1. How about packaging it instead? I'll

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > I think it's unlikely that an alert ftpmaster would today allow it into > the archive in such a state, and I'm alerting the maintainer of this. In case you missed it, spim has been removed from Debian for a long time so there is no reason to a

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy writes: > Le Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 06:42:31PM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : > > Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright > > holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words: […] > > That's far from what we normally require: explicit written licen

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > Paul Wise writes: > > IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want > > Debian to rely on it. > > Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright > holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words […] > Better to re-write the

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
[sending again, this time with Mackenzie's requested Cc] Ben Finney writes: > Paul Wise writes: > > IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want > > Debian to rely on it. > > Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright > holder at all; it's someone else

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 06:42:31PM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : > Paul Wise writes: > > > > http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/spim/current/copyright > > > > Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder > at all; it's someone else reporting in their ow

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: > Since it seems the copyright holder wants to have as little hassle from > copyright licensing as possible, I would suggest the terms of the Expat > license http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt> as being brief, > easily-understood, and clearl

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise writes: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the > > copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this > > in ‘non-free’? > > > > If the answer is “nothing explicit”, then the default c

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Mackenzie Morgan writes: >> The license is as follows: >>     You may make copies of SPIM for your own use and modify those copies. >> >>     All copies of SPIM must retain my name and copyright notice. >> >>     You may not sell SPIM or distri

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-18 Thread Ben Finney
Mackenzie Morgan writes: > [Please CC me in replies] Done. I am sending to the ‘debian-legal’ forum, to discuss the license terms of the work. > * Package name: spim > Version : 7.5-1 > Upstream Author : James R. Larus > * URL : http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~larus/spi