Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-28 Thread D. Starner
On Feb 26, 2004, at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: > Not true. Governments can (and have) passed legislation to yank a work > out of the public domain and put it back under copyright. Anthony DeRobertis wrote in response: > Mickey Mouse Copyright Extension Act No; the MMCEA (or whatever the re

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-26 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Feb 26, 2004, at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but maybe I can scare one up. Mickey Mouse Copyright Extension Act (I'm pretty sure it caused some works to briefly be in the public domain)

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-26 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Not true. Governments can (and have) passed legislation to yank a work > out of the public domain and put it back under copyright. This happened when they extended the duration of copyright in the EU from 50 to 70 years. (To remember when this happened, it

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:41:05AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > This is another permission grant, and is actually rather silly. If it's > in the public domain, it can have no license. Ever. Not true. Governments can (and have) passed legislation to yank a work out of the public domain and

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-26 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Feb 25, 2004, at 16:46, Hubert Chan wrote: If I wish to delete this paragraph, what is the best way to do this? Should I say in the copyright file something to the effect of, "the original hashcash package is released under the CPL, which is available From ..., but the Debian package is relea

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-26 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Feb 25, 2004, at 17:54, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Licensing The CPL is not a license, it does not require the user to do or not do anything; the user does not agree to any terms, because there are no terms, and the user does not need to do anythi

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Nic Suzor
* Hubert Chan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [This program] is in the public domain. The original upstream source is > released under the Cypherpunks anti-License (CPL), which places the > program in the public domain, and includes additional clarifying text. > Neither Debian, nor Sof

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Hubert Chan
yone think of the following statement in the copyright file? [This program] is in the public domain. The original upstream source is released under the Cypherpunks anti-License (CPL), which places the program in the public domain, and includes additional clarifying text. Neither Debian, nor So

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Nic Suzor
(excuse the duplication - I forgot to reply to the list.) * Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Scripsit Nic Suzor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > However, the licence states that the distributor will not sue or > > help to sue for any reason, where the result would be that the use, > > modifi

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Nic Suzor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > However, the licence states that the distributor will not sue or > help to sue for any reason, where the result would be that the use, > modification or redistribution of the work would be restricted. Yes, but it *also* states that a distributor can chose

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Nic Suzor
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > First, I cannot imagine any situation where Debian would even > *consider* suing anybody over anything they do to software that we > simply distribute. On the contrary, the whole point of the Social > Contract and the DFSG is to promise users that we t

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Chris Waters
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:41:05AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > >Licensing > >The CPL is not a license, it does not require the user to do or not do > >anything They don't seem to know what the word "license" means. Perhaps we can all chip in and buy them a dictionary! :) -- Chris Water

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Licensing > > The CPL is not a license, it does not require the user to do or not > > do anything; the user does not agree to any terms, because there are > > no terms, and the user does not need to do anything to indicate > > acceptance or rejec

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Hubert Chan
Thanks for your analysis, Anthony. > "Anthony" == Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Anthony> On Feb 24, 2004, at 16:02, Hubert Chan wrote: >> Hubert> [1] http://www.cypherspace.org/CPL Anthony> Please paste license texts inline. OK. Will do that in the future. [...] CPL> Non

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-25 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Feb 24, 2004, at 16:02, Hubert Chan wrote: [1] http://www.cypherspace.org/CPL Please paste license texts inline. Here we go: Cypherpunks anti-License Intent The intent of the Cypherpunks anti-License (CPL) is to inform users that they are free to use and redistribute the indicated

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-24 Thread Hubert Chan
> "John" == John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> Since it explicitly grants the right to relicense, it's really John> irrelevant. If you don't like the license, substitute any or no John> license. Yes. The license also says that programs released under the CPL are in the public domai

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-24 Thread John Galt
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Hubert Chan wrote: >I have created a package for hashcash, which is released under the >Cypherpunks anti-License[1]. A potential sponsor (as I am not a DD yet) >has some questions about the license -- in particular the "Non >Litigation" section. I was

Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-24 Thread Hubert Chan
I have created a package for hashcash, which is released under the Cypherpunks anti-License[1]. A potential sponsor (as I am not a DD yet) has some questions about the license -- in particular the "Non Litigation" section. I was wondering if you folks could give your opinion on this se