Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-07 Thread Raul Miller
> > "Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Raul> Look at the situation this way: the GPL restricts the > Raul> distribution of emacs, not that of independently written > Raul> code. The question asked was whether it was legal to > Raul> distribute some non-gpled el

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:16:19AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith Raul> wrote: >> Raul, why are you so quick to dismiss this? You state it like >> it was a matter of fact. Is this documented anywhere? Raul> I didn't dis

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 03:42:29PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > Years ago when I satrted coding elisp and wasn't concerned about > licensing issues, I thought I was okay as long as I didn't load > anything via 'require'. But obviously I was using other people's > copyrighted code way before t

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > Wrong side of the interface. Of course the implementation of > buffer-substring is copyrightable. > > However, is the code that calls it copyrightable? That's essentially > what you were asking about in the question I was answering. Here's what I meant: minor-mode foobar

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Raul Miller
> > However, even if there are no non-GPLed implementations of the interfaces, > > a trivial call to buffer-substring would not be worth worrying about. > > If the code in question falls under fair use, copyright isn't an issue: > > you need something substantial enough to be considered a copyright

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > If any non-trivial code makes a call to an Emacs function, even > > say 'buffer-substring', then do we consider that loaded code a > > GPL'ed library? I guess that's the question. > > Hmm. I was under

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: You said: > > Anyways: it's legal for elisp code to have a GPL-incompatible license. > > However, it's not legal to distribute GPLed emacs with such code if that > > code is intended to be used with emacs to implement some program.

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:16:19AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Raul, why are you so quick to dismiss this? You state it like it > > was a matter of fact. Is this documented anywhere? > > I didn't dismiss it. I guess I misread the end of your post. >

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:16:19AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > Raul, why are you so quick to dismiss this? You state it like it > was a matter of fact. Is this documented anywhere? I didn't dismiss it. [And, what is it that you want documentation on?] Look at the situation this way: the

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Aaron Lehmann wrote: > Is it even legal for elisp code to have a GPL-incompatible license? > Any elisp code uses the emacs builtin functions extensively. These are > protected by the GPL. The concept of linking gets very blurry here, > too. Good question. I never thought of that. Most lines of

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:43:44PM -0800, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > Is it even legal for elisp code to have a GPL-incompatible license? > Any elisp code uses the emacs builtin functions extensively. These are > protected by the GPL. The concept of linking gets very blurry here, > too. Why is this eve

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-05 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:05:30PM +0900, Takashi Okamoto wrote: > Above license closes DFSG. But it restricts redistributing modified code. > Therefore epo should go to non-free section. Is it even legal for elisp code to have a GPL-incompatible license? Any elisp code uses the emacs builtin fun