Re: Bug#220464: gimp: LZW patent is still valid in Europe and Japan

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:12:19PM -0800, Ben Reser wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 01:05:10AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I don't know about others, but my notion of "software freedom" does > > include the freedom to compile and use source code. > > So you think it's appropriate to excise

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm trying to grok the last paragraph of Henning Makholm's > comments in your first reference at > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/debian-legal-199906/msg00218.html Good luck. :-) As my recent comments in the present thread may have indicated, I'

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-11-15 04:14:44 + Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It only revokes the patent license, not the whole license. Since Debian, to a large extent, only concerns itself with patents that are being enforced, it was considered fine [1]. There was even a comment praising the patent

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-11-14 14:57:58 + Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What prevents me, after violating the license, from obtaining a new copy of the software and using (copying, modifying, distributing) that instead? As long as you've stopped the attempt, have not distributed any infringing

Re: Bug#220464: gimp: LZW patent is still valid in Europe and Japan

2003-11-15 Thread Florian Weimer
Ben Gertzfield wrote: > I'm quite sure we have cryptographic software in main that is > patent-encumbered and illegal for other reasons in many non-US countries > worldwide. Isn't this exactly the same thing? It's been rehashed many > times. What's worse, GIF and JPEG are now essentially in

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: >> Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: >> >> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> >> > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) >

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-15 Thread Walter Landry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: > Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: > >> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) > >> > > >> >> And, as it happens, companies do gran

Re: Bug#220464: gimp: LZW patent is still valid in Europe and Japan

2003-11-15 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 01:05:10AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I don't know about others, but my notion of "software freedom" does > include the freedom to compile and use source code. So you think it's appropriate to excise code entirely, thereby removing the freedom of people who are outsid

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: >> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) >> > >> >> And, as it happens, companies do grant free patent licenses: it's >> >> common practice when work

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 10:32:09AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > I think people are a lot more savvy about patent-related problems now > than they were 4 years ago, but it would be a pain to fix this now if > we got it wrong. [...] > I find it interesting that copyright licences that try to enforce > p

Re: DFSG-freeness of Apache Software Licenses

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:07:06PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Given the number of times Debian has violated our original Apache > license by redistributing modified versions of Apache httpd as if > they were the original, but actually containing secur

Re: Bug#220464: gimp: LZW patent is still valid in Europe and Japan

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:38:02AM -0800, Ben Reser wrote: > As a result, it is not necessary to remove the source code from the tar > ball. But rather simply to ensure it is not compiled and used in the > resulting binary. A simple conditional compilation flag (e.g. #ifndef > NOLZW) would be suf

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:12:04PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > There's the difference that it takes explicit action and quite a bit > of money to acquire and keep holding a patent. Going through that > trouble just to grant the public a perpetual, non-exclusive, > worldwide, fully paid-up and r