Re: Corel Lawsuit

1999-11-28 Thread Seth David Schoen
Amy Fong writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Seth David Schoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I would again urge everyone to consider careful the difference between > > > >- Things That Annoy You About Corel > >- Mistakes That Corel Made > >- Things That You Can Sue Corel Over > > > >Again

Re: Corel Lawsuit

1999-11-28 Thread Amy Fong
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Seth David Schoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I would again urge everyone to consider careful the difference between > >- Things That Annoy You About Corel >- Mistakes That Corel Made >- Things That You Can Sue Corel Over > >Again, these are not at all the same. > >

conflict-of-interest alert

1999-11-28 Thread Bruce Perens
PLEASE DON'T POST THIS ON SLASHDOT. If you want a story, please contact me and I'll give you one. I've been working for a venture capital company for the past few months. I'm the president but only a minority owner, it's called "Linux Capital Group". We're getting close to funding what could be p

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Henning Makholm
Lynn Winebarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quotes Corel: > 2. In addition to the freely distributable Software Programs, some > versions of Corel LINUX may also include certain Software Programs, such > as Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux and Bitstream fonts included with Corel > LINUX, *that* *are* *distri

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread James A. Treacy
While this is an important discussion, I do not believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] needs to be included. Since debian-legal is already included, the proper Debian forum is already involved. Just drop webmaster from any replies. -- James (Jay) Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

VMware in non-free

1999-11-28 Thread Tommi Virtanen
Please have a look at http://www.vmware.com/ and help me decide if we can distribute VMware in non-free, or only as an installer package. I currently think we can only do an installer.. I am not subscribed to -legal, so please Cc me if you need a rep

Re: Corel Lawsuit

1999-11-28 Thread Seth David Schoen
I would again urge everyone to consider careful the difference between - Things That Annoy You About Corel - Mistakes That Corel Made - Things That You Can Sue Corel Over Again, these are not at all the same. It seems that the problems with the Corel EULA are being used as an occasion for flamin

Re: Corel Lawsuit

1999-11-28 Thread Amy Fong
Oi! I disappear for a weekend and YACF (yet another Corel fuckup) happens? (Sorry, I think we're developing a need for a new acronym) > On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 11:48:30AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > They are clueless, but are you serious about a lawsuit? > > > > Perhaps not _this_ time, but

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Seth David Schoen
[still limited to debian-legal] Bruce Perens writes: > Richard, > > What bothers me is that you have to click "yes" on that license to get access > to my GPL software, even though my software isn't covered by the license. > Now, if the agreement was for use of their FTP site, that would be OK. >

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-28 Thread Caspian
On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > So let's see what happens if we create a Corel Linux workalike by: > > > > A: Downloading Corel Linux > > B: Ripping out all the non-free software parts and > > C: Replacing them. > > > > then... > > > > D: Publicizing this heavily. > >

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Seth David Schoen
[trimming RMS] Caspian writes: > On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > You might be forgetting that the product called "Corel Linux" is a > > collection of software containing both proprietary software _and_ free > > software. Because this collection contains proprietary software

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation o

1999-11-28 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > So let's see what happens if we create a Corel Linux workalike by: > > A: Downloading Corel Linux > B: Ripping out all the non-free software parts and > C: Replacing them. > > then... > > D: Publicizing this heavily. > > See stormix.com and several others. Stormix has stated they are in

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Caspian
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > You might be forgetting that the product called "Corel Linux" is a > collection of software containing both proprietary software _and_ free > software. Because this collection contains proprietary software from > Corel, you do not have the legal rig

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Seth David Schoen
[debian-legal added explicitly; Debian webmaster trimmed] Caspian writes: > On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > If the license is a free software license, then it permits you to put > > the software on your own ftp site and allow anyone to copy it. So > > that is a thing you coul

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Caspian
Then let's try an experiment-- let's make a nice Corel Linux mirror site, and publicize it well (read: on Slashdot), and see if they object. Anyone with me? On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, William T Wilson wrote: > On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Caspian wrote: > > > However, I am under the -distinct- impression that

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Bruce Perens
Richard, What bothers me is that you have to click "yes" on that license to get access to my GPL software, even though my software isn't covered by the license. Now, if the agreement was for use of their FTP site, that would be OK. But it's a software license, and it is being used with my GPL work

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Lynn Winebarger
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Richard Stallman wrote: > to adults, or only people with red hair, that is ok. Asking people to > agree that they will use the software only in accord with the license > is ok, provided the license is a free software license. > > If the license is a free software license, the

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread William T Wilson
On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Caspian wrote: > However, I am under the -distinct- impression that Corel would consider > anyone obtaining their distribution without agreeing to their EULA > 'illegal'/'immoral', or in other words "against their rules". So sad. Corel has no choice in the matter. They are

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Caspian
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Richard Stallman wrote: > agree that they will use the software only in accord with the license > is ok, provided the license is a free software license. I doubt that it will be. Corel Linux is based heavily on Debian, which of course is (almost?) all free software... (Hell,

Re: Dangerous precedent being set - possible serious violation of the GPL

1999-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
IMPORTANT: READ CAREFULLY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE FOLLOWING AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") BEFORE DOWNLOADING THE PRODUCT. BY CLICKING "ACCEPT" BELOW: 1.YOU CERTIFY THAT YOU ARE NOT A MINOR AND THAT YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET OUT IN THE LICENSE

Re: Dristributions around Debian

1999-11-28 Thread Joey Hess
Jérôme Marant wrote: > Imagine that I take the latest stable debian distribution as it > is and that I decide to improve it with modifying boot floppies, > adding new install procedures and creating new tools (for instance > administration tools). Everything developed DFSG-compliant of course an