G'Day !
About a year ago, I bought a Dell Latitude LX (yes an old 486 monster), so I
could edit source files while away from my desktop. With RCS, Emacs and a basic
command line, eveything worked great. BUT, the project grew and I needed more
capability. Namely X-window and an ethernet connecti
G'Day !
When I needed to upgrade my system, I used a kernel with a parallel port zip
drive configured as a module. I then put the kernel image on the zip drive
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!!
G'Day !
I have a Dell Latitude LX4100 (ie 486, 400M hd, ??? ram, No CD, No NIC, No
Modem). Sounds like a pain to install Debian, ehh
Not at all. Do a base install via floppy disks. Once that is done, I was able
to install any additional package I needed via " dpkg -i ... "
When installi
G'Day !
Call me old fashion, but ... for my money you can't beat fvwm2.
Highly configurable and you get 9+ pages to place your apps. And I can run it
on a 486/33 with 8 M comfortably (old desktop), or my 486/66 with 20M (current
laptop used to develop in GTK+).
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat rac
G'Day !
This is probably a much repeated question, but
I am running X on Dell Latitude 4100 using the SVGA server with a fvwm2 as my
window manager. Everything works great, except this one little quirk that is
beginning to bug me.
I have 9 pages set-up in a 3 x 3 configuration. From what
G'Day !
Last time I installed the kernel sources (2.2.x), I noticed the documents no
longer tell you to link the header files to the /include directories. Is this
no longer required ?
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that
G'Day !
Yeah I tried to Upgrade my desktop with dselect instead of apt-get and dpkg
And I trashed my system :-( I finally got it working enough to boot so I can
recover my files, but unless someone can show me a better way, I will need to
reinstall from scratch then do a restore from backu
G'Day !
I forget which package it choked on (maybe libpam0) ... basically a package
needs libpam0 but libpam0 cann't update till I've upgraded the other package, a
real Catch-22. So now it is stuck in this limbo state of packages installed but
not configured properly.
When I went back thru the
G'Day !
Well it looks like I'm lucky ... I plugged my PC card modem into the laptop
heard a beep and low and behold it is recognized as a modem and is working
almost
My PPP connection is real flacky. Sometimes it disconnects, every so often
(every 5 minutes or so). Last night it did not d
G'Day !
Ok here is some more information ...
I dial into my IP using wvdial ... it creates a PPP link to my provider,
negotiates a IP address and set-up a routing information. I can type "ifconfig"
and verify that PPP is set-up and when I type "route" it returns a routing
table, albiet it takes
G'Day !
I got this from the /var/log/ppp.log:
"Cannot determine ethernet address for Proxy ARP"
It is consistent for all attempted connections. And it is the only thing that
looks wrong.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than t
G'Day !
If you have a PC Card modem and NIC card, and they only get used occasionally,
what process do you want to start at boot from your /etc/init.d directory.
I would like to have loopback, so it seems Networking should be started, but
will that interfere when I plug in my NIC card ? I think i
G'Day !
I just upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 and in the process broke something.
I have a PCMCIA ethernet (eth0) card and a PCMCIA serial modem (ppp0). Majority
of the time, I'm disconnected. (using only loopback)
I have setup all my networking stuff like I did for my desktops (kernel verson
2.0
G'Day !
Based on previous experience with modules ... I would say pcmcia_core depends on
another module(s). This has to loaded prior to loading pcmcia_core.
Unfortunately I don't know which one, I think there is a i82365SL or TCIC-2,
depending on the type of PCMCIA hardware your laptop has.
ch
G'Day !
I am not sure about this, I only use my parallel port for an old zip drive, and then not often enough
There are 4 parallel port modules located in the /lib/modules/2.2.18/misc directory (parport.o, parport_pc.o, parport_probe.o, and paride.o). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but
G'Day !
Well at least the laptop now sees the printer ... that is probably the hard part. I think you now have to read the Printing-HOWTO very carefully, and make sure your permissions are correct (always bite me in the past ;-)
Are you able to print anythng on the printer (ASCII text perhaps)
G'Day !
Are you saying that fdisk recognizes your new hd as /dev/hdb, but you can not mount it ?
Once in fdisk ... Did you partition the drive ? Did you create a filesystem on those new partitions ? Did you use the mount command to access the drive ("mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1" as root) ?
Does a
G'Day !
I'm interested in what happened in your fdisk session. Where you able to create partitions ? Could you "save" your work on the partition table ?
"Device not configured" is also curious ... I wonder if you need to specify the disk geometry to lilo (I'm guessing here) I would look
G'Day !
Check dmesg and your route table for clues ... also are you pinging by name or
number ? if name, try number. if that works check you dns/hosts configurations
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!!
G'Day !
I'm forwarding this to the debian-laptop list so the "real" experts can chime in
as neccessary ... ;-)
I had the same problem with my D-Link DFE-650 NIC card (slightly different
symptoms, but still a Tx message in dmesg). I stopped working on the problem,
so I don't have a final soluti
G'Day !
IF YOU WANT TO RUN WINDOWS ON YOUR LAPTOP GO AHEAD ! I REALLY DO NOT CARE !
THIS MAILING LIST IS TO HELP PEOPLE SET-UP DEBIAN ON THEIR LAPTOP. IF YOU WANT
TO BITCH AND MOAN, THERE ARE BETTER FORUMS FOR THAT !
sorry for the shouting. while I tend to be anti-m$ (too many contracts with
G'Day !
Which window manager are you using ?
I use the default settings in fvwm2, and when I start X I get a very similar
screen. Have you tried playing with the mouse or keyboard buttons ? fvwm2 uses
a pop-up menu to launch applications, including xterm.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing i
G'Day !
I installed my entire laptop using dpkg. It let me chode the packages I needed
without getting bogged down in dselect (dselect is mighty slow on a 486 ;-) It
also let me force package installs. For example I installed GTK+ from source,
so I had to force install the gtk_glarea package,
G'Day !
I think my last posting bounced, so If this is a repeat ...
Ocean PC sells waterproof / shockproof PC's / Laptops to the boating comunity.
They are kind-of expensive though.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!
G'Day !
I had the same problem with my Dell Latitude LX ... I had to delete all my mode
lines till I found the one that worked :-(
Can you send more information on the "override_valid_modes" option ?
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more imp
G'Day !
An educated guess here is that the 'Analog to Digital' chip/board and/or your
'Digital to Analog' board has failed Trying replacing the sound card with a
new one.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!!
G'Day !
I need to install Debian on several computers. However the twist is that the hardware on these computers is such that the only way to access the drives is by pulling the drive and making it the slave drive on a working Linux desktop computer. (ie no floppies, no CD, no NIC, no Modem on
G'Day !
Yes that is how I was planning on doing 2 thru N, I guess I was not clear on the question.
My question was which files do I copy from destktop to /dev/hdb and how do I make it bootable. I can not figure out how to run the install program dbootstrap to configure the base system.
Do I ne
G'Day !
Thank you all for your responses .. I pretty sure I can do it now.
I think you all went off on a tangent ... The computers I'm setting up only have a Motherboard and video card and harddrive, so the only possible way to boot is off the harddrive. (Without the purchase of additional h
G'Day !
1) I do not use GNOME, but gpm and X do not mix. If you you run X do not run gpm. Gpm is mouse driver/utilites for consoles (CLI) so it is not needed unless you do a lot of work in your virtual consoles, like me ;-)
2) What kind of CD's ? You can mount data cd's with iso9660 with M
G'Day !
Perhaps I was using an old GPM library A couple of years ago back when I upgraded to XF86 3.x, GPM and X conflicted. I always had to kill the GPM demaon, before starting X.
I guess this was fixed.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is f
G'Day !
Beginning to think its hardware (or maybe not). First had the problem in '94 on a 486 w/ VESA Bus and maybe 8M RAM, and serial mouse. Back then I modified my startx script to kill GPM before starting the X server.
Old habits never die ;-)
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a
G'Day !
I have an old Dell Latitude LX that has proven to be very reliable over the years and powerful enough to handle the loads I put it through. In addition, the price is right. But today the old harddrive crashed, so I need to get a replacement.
Now I do not think they make 500M ide harddr
G'Day !
After I have install the kernel sources from a Debian package, can I use the patch files from kernel.org to bring it up to whatever release I want ?
For example if I have installed a 2.2.17 .deb package , can I use the patches to bring it up to 2.2.19, or is it better to use a new .deb p
G'Day !
About a year ago, I bought a Dell Latitude LX (yes an old 486 monster), so I
could edit source files while away from my desktop. With RCS, Emacs and a basic
command line, eveything worked great. BUT, the project grew and I needed more
capability. Namely X-window and an ethernet connect
G'Day !
When I needed to upgrade my system, I used a kernel with a parallel port zip
drive configured as a module. I then put the kernel image on the zip drive
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!!
G'Day !
I have a Dell Latitude LX4100 (ie 486, 400M hd, ??? ram, No CD, No NIC, No
Modem). Sounds like a pain to install Debian, ehh
Not at all. Do a base install via floppy disks. Once that is done, I was able
to install any additional package I needed via " dpkg -i ... "
When install
G'Day !
Call me old fashion, but ... for my money you can't beat fvwm2.
Highly configurable and you get 9+ pages to place your apps. And I can run it
on a 486/33 with 8 M comfortably (old desktop), or my 486/66 with 20M (current
laptop used to develop in GTK+).
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat ra
G'Day !
This is probably a much repeated question, but
I am running X on Dell Latitude 4100 using the SVGA server with a fvwm2 as my
window manager. Everything works great, except this one little quirk that is
beginning to bug me.
I have 9 pages set-up in a 3 x 3 configuration. From wha
G'Day !
Last time I installed the kernel sources (2.2.x), I noticed the documents no
longer tell you to link the header files to the /include directories. Is this
no longer required ?
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that
G'Day !
Yeah I tried to Upgrade my desktop with dselect instead of apt-get and dpkg
And I trashed my system :-( I finally got it working enough to boot so I can
recover my files, but unless someone can show me a better way, I will need to
reinstall from scratch then do a restore from back
G'Day !
I forget which package it choked on (maybe libpam0) ... basically a package
needs libpam0 but libpam0 cann't update till I've upgraded the other package, a
real Catch-22. So now it is stuck in this limbo state of packages installed but
not configured properly.
When I went back thru the
G'Day !
Well it looks like I'm lucky ... I plugged my PC card modem into the laptop
heard a beep and low and behold it is recognized as a modem and is working
almost
My PPP connection is real flacky. Sometimes it disconnects, every so often
(every 5 minutes or so). Last night it did not
G'Day !
Ok here is some more information ...
I dial into my IP using wvdial ... it creates a PPP link to my provider,
negotiates a IP address and set-up a routing information. I can type "ifconfig"
and verify that PPP is set-up and when I type "route" it returns a routing
table, albiet it takes
G'Day !
I got this from the /var/log/ppp.log:
"Cannot determine ethernet address for Proxy ARP"
It is consistent for all attempted connections. And it is the only thing that
looks wrong.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than
G'Day !
If you have a PC Card modem and NIC card, and they only get used occasionally,
what process do you want to start at boot from your /etc/init.d directory.
I would like to have loopback, so it seems Networking should be started, but
will that interfere when I plug in my NIC card ? I think
G'Day !
I just upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 and in the process broke something.
I have a PCMCIA ethernet (eth0) card and a PCMCIA serial modem (ppp0). Majority
of the time, I'm disconnected. (using only loopback)
I have setup all my networking stuff like I did for my desktops (kernel verson
2.
G'Day !
Based on previous experience with modules ... I would say pcmcia_core depends on
another module(s). This has to loaded prior to loading pcmcia_core.
Unfortunately I don't know which one, I think there is a i82365SL or TCIC-2,
depending on the type of PCMCIA hardware your laptop has.
c
G'Day !
I am not sure about this, I only use my parallel port for an old zip drive, and then not often enough
There are 4 parallel port modules located in the /lib/modules/2.2.18/misc directory (parport.o, parport_pc.o, parport_probe.o, and paride.o). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but
G'Day !
Well at least the laptop now sees the printer ... that is probably the hard part. I think you now have to read the Printing-HOWTO very carefully, and make sure your permissions are correct (always bite me in the past ;-)
Are you able to print anythng on the printer (ASCII text perhaps)
G'Day !
Are you saying that fdisk recognizes your new hd as /dev/hdb, but you can not mount it ?
Once in fdisk ... Did you partition the drive ? Did you create a filesystem on those new partitions ? Did you use the mount command to access the drive ("mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1" as root) ?
Does a
G'Day !
Check dmesg and your route table for clues ... also are you pinging by name or
number ? if name, try number. if that works check you dns/hosts configurations
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!!
G'Day !
I'm forwarding this to the debian-laptop list so the "real" experts can chime in
as neccessary ... ;-)
I had the same problem with my D-Link DFE-650 NIC card (slightly different
symptoms, but still a Tx message in dmesg). I stopped working on the problem,
so I don't have a final solut
G'Day !
Which window manager are you using ?
I use the default settings in fvwm2, and when I start X I get a very similar
screen. Have you tried playing with the mouse or keyboard buttons ? fvwm2 uses
a pop-up menu to launch applications, including xterm.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing
G'Day !
I installed my entire laptop using dpkg. It let me chode the packages I needed
without getting bogged down in dselect (dselect is mighty slow on a 486 ;-) It
also let me force package installs. For example I installed GTK+ from source,
so I had to force install the gtk_glarea package
G'Day !
IF YOU WANT TO RUN WINDOWS ON YOUR LAPTOP GO AHEAD ! I REALLY DO NOT CARE !
THIS MAILING LIST IS TO HELP PEOPLE SET-UP DEBIAN ON THEIR LAPTOP. IF YOU WANT
TO BITCH AND MOAN, THERE ARE BETTER FORUMS FOR THAT !
sorry for the shouting. while I tend to be anti-m$ (too many contracts with
G'Day !
I think my last posting bounced, so If this is a repeat ...
Ocean PC sells waterproof / shockproof PC's / Laptops to the boating comunity.
They are kind-of expensive though.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !
G'Day !
I had the same problem with my Dell Latitude LX ... I had to delete all my mode
lines till I found the one that worked :-(
Can you send more information on the "override_valid_modes" option ?
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more im
G'Day !
An educated guess here is that the 'Analog to Digital' chip/board and/or your
'Digital to Analog' board has failed Trying replacing the sound card with a
new one.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is far more important
than that !!!
G'Day !
I need to install Debian on several computers. However the twist is that the hardware on these computers is such that the only way to access the drives is by pulling the drive and making it the slave drive on a working Linux desktop computer. (ie no floppies, no CD, no NIC, no Modem on
G'Day !
Yes that is how I was planning on doing 2 thru N, I guess I was not clear on the question.
My question was which files do I copy from destktop to /dev/hdb and how do I make it bootable. I can not figure out how to run the install program dbootstrap to configure the base system.
Do I ne
G'Day !
Thank you all for your responses .. I pretty sure I can do it now.
I think you all went off on a tangent ... The computers I'm setting up only have a Motherboard and video card and harddrive, so the only possible way to boot is off the harddrive. (Without the purchase of additional h
G'Day !
1) I do not use GNOME, but gpm and X do not mix. If you you run X do not run gpm. Gpm is mouse driver/utilites for consoles (CLI) so it is not needed unless you do a lot of work in your virtual consoles, like me ;-)
2) What kind of CD's ? You can mount data cd's with iso9660 with M
G'Day !
Perhaps I was using an old GPM library A couple of years ago back when I upgraded to XF86 3.x, GPM and X conflicted. I always had to kill the GPM demaon, before starting X.
I guess this was fixed.
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a matter of life and death It is f
G'Day !
Beginning to think its hardware (or maybe not). First had the problem in '94 on a 486 w/ VESA Bus and maybe 8M RAM, and serial mouse. Back then I modified my startx script to kill GPM before starting the X server.
Old habits never die ;-)
cheers,
Jim Parker
Sailboat racing is not a
G'Day !
I have an old Dell Latitude LX that has proven to be very reliable over the years and powerful enough to handle the loads I put it through. In addition, the price is right. But today the old harddrive crashed, so I need to get a replacement.
Now I do not think they make 500M ide harddr
G'Day !
After I have install the kernel sources from a Debian package, can I use the patch files from kernel.org to bring it up to whatever release I want ?
For example if I have installed a 2.2.17 .deb package , can I use the patches to bring it up to 2.2.19, or is it better to use a new .deb p
G'Day !
I'm interested in what happened in your fdisk session. Where you able to create partitions ? Could you "save" your work on the partition table ?
"Device not configured" is also curious ... I wonder if you need to specify the disk geometry to lilo (I'm guessing here) I would look
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