Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-27 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 04:48:15PM +0100, tilo kremer wrote: > > Debian users, > > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > after having used olwm/olvwm from early 90ies on, i switched to > enlightenment 2 years ago to shortly afterwards move on to sawfish, > occasionally w/ gnome. > > main reason

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-27 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 05:30:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:39:27 +1100, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's > >>

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-27 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 04:48:15PM +0100, tilo kremer wrote: > > Debian users, > > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > after having used olwm/olvwm from early 90ies on, i switched to > enlightenment 2 years ago to shortly afterwards move on to sawfish, > occasionally w/ gnome. > > main reason

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-27 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 05:30:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:39:27 +1100, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's > >>

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-27 Thread Michael Lake
tilo kremer wrote: > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? after having used olwm/olvwm from early 90ies on, i switched to enlightenment 2 years ago to shortly afterwards move on to sawfish, occasionally w/ gnome. I switched to enlightenment not so much for the eye candy but be

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-27 Thread Michael Lake
tilo kremer wrote: > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? after having used olwm/olvwm from early 90ies on, i switched to enlightenment 2 years ago to shortly afterwards move on to sawfish, occasionally w/ gnome. I switched to enlightenment not so much for the eye candy but because

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread Matt . Barry
About evenly split between GNOME2 (metacity) and ion... I've been following GNOME development since the beginning, and I think they've come a long way with usability and applications.. and its important to follow if you're in IT and trying to make inroads on your organization's desktops. :) Bu

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread Matt . Barry
About evenly split between GNOME2 (metacity) and ion... I've been following GNOME development since the beginning, and I think they've come a long way with usability and applications.. and its important to follow if you're in IT and trying to make inroads on your organization's desktops. :) Bu

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:39:27 +1100, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's >> > fast, small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And >> > several of th

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread mike dentifrice
Yves Rutschle said: > (ok, PWM is good too. Gnome and KDE are essentially the same thing > IMO.) I've been using PWM for some time now, and just can't get anything better. It allows everything to be done via keyboard, is way more flexible that ion (you can have some windows overlap is you want to,

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread mike dentifrice
Yves Rutschle said: > (ok, PWM is good too. Gnome and KDE are essentially the same thing > IMO.) I've been using PWM for some time now, and just can't get anything better. It allows everything to be done via keyboard, is way more flexible that ion (you can have some windows overlap is you want to,

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:39:27 +1100, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's >> > fast, small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And >> > several of th

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread mike dentifrice
Yves Rutschle said: > (ok, PWM is good too. Gnome and KDE are essentially the same thing > IMO.) I've been using PWM for some time now, and just can't get anything better. It allows everything to be done via keyboard, is way more flexible that ion (you can have some windows overlap is you want to,

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread mike dentifrice
Yves Rutschle said: > (ok, PWM is good too. Gnome and KDE are essentially the same thing > IMO.) I've been using PWM for some time now, and just can't get anything better. It allows everything to be done via keyboard, is way more flexible that ion (you can have some windows overlap is you want to,

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread tilo kremer
> Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? after having used olwm/olvwm from early 90ies on, i switched to enlightenment 2 years ago to shortly afterwards move on to sawfish, occasionally w/ gnome. main reason for using them was to be able to have overlapping windows which DONT get ra

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-26 Thread tilo kremer
> Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? after having used olwm/olvwm from early 90ies on, i switched to enlightenment 2 years ago to shortly afterwards move on to sawfish, occasionally w/ gnome. main reason for using them was to be able to have overlapping windows which DONT get raise

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Tim Connors
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Jan T. Kim wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:35:23PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I've been using fvwm for years. Now I'm running fvwm2. It has some > > features I really like and haven't seen easily in other desktops. Also > > the last time I tried another desktop it was

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Tim Connors
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Jan T. Kim wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:35:23PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I've been using fvwm for years. Now I'm running fvwm2. It has some > > features I really like and haven't seen easily in other desktops. Also > > the last time I tried another desktop it was

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread tropez bano
Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > (I have and am used to WindowMaker. Was thinking of playing with Gnome >

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread tropez bano
Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > (I have and am used to WindowMaker. Was thinking of playing with Gnome >

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Ed Santiago
>Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > [...] >-If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? tvtwm-pl11. Released, according to its changelog, 9-Feb-95. But I've been using tvtwm, and twm before that, for much longer. There's not even a Debian package for tvtwm, so I seem to

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Micha Feigin
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:40:50PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > > > > > >Geez, no fvwm users yet? > > >(Not that I usually answer these polls) > > > > > >Of course, I have a setup I have

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Ed Santiago
>Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > [...] >-If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? tvtwm-pl11. Released, according to its changelog, 9-Feb-95. But I've been using tvtwm, and twm before that, for much longer. There's not even a Debian package for tvtwm, so I seem to

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Micha Feigin
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:40:50PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > > > > > >Geez, no fvwm users yet? > > >(Not that I usually answer these polls) > > > > > >Of course, I have a setup I have

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Jan T. Kim
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:35:23PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > I've been using fvwm for years. Now I'm running fvwm2. It has some > features I really like and haven't seen easily in other desktops. Also > the last time I tried another desktop it was so freaking slow, I > couldn't stand it. I use

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Jan T. Kim
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:35:23PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > I've been using fvwm for years. Now I'm running fvwm2. It has some > features I really like and haven't seen easily in other desktops. Also > the last time I tried another desktop it was so freaking slow, I > couldn't stand it. I use

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Tim Connors
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's fast, > > > small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And several of the > > > newer WMs still don't match its

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Juergen Stuber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ryan M. Golbeck) writes: > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: >> >> >> ION, the only WM that has actually invented something since >> 1978 (more or less) and rids window managing of its most >> irritating aspects (

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's fast, > > small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And several of the > > newer WMs still don't match its features... > > Bulletproof my oath. One thing you *

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Vivek
> Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's fast, > small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And several of the > newer WMs still don't match its features... Yes, I agree - I've had my setup for years, and no other wm has offered enough yet to pry me away from "the way

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Tim Connors
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's fast, > > > small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And several of the > > > newer WMs still don't match its

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Juergen Stuber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ryan M. Golbeck) writes: > Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: >> >> >> ION, the only WM that has actually invented something since >> 1978 (more or less) and rids window managing of its most >> irritating aspects (

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:40, Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's fast, > > small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And several of the > > newer WMs still don't match its features... > > Bulletproof my oath. One thing you *

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > >Geez, no fvwm users yet? >(Not that I usually answer these polls) > >Of course, I have a setup I have been happy with for 6 years, so it was >only 6 months back that I decided to upgrade from fvwm1 to 2. Well, quite. I've got a fvwm s

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Tim Connors
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > > > >Geez, no fvwm users yet? > >(Not that I usually answer these polls) > > > >Of course, I have a setup I have been happy with for 6 years, so it was > >only 6 months back that I decided t

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Vivek
> Fvwm is cool. It takes a fair bit of configuration, but it's fast, > small and absolutely bomb-proof in my experience. And several of the > newer WMs still don't match its features... Yes, I agree - I've had my setup for years, and no other wm has offered enough yet to pry me away from "the way

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > >Geez, no fvwm users yet? >(Not that I usually answer these polls) > >Of course, I have a setup I have been happy with for 6 years, so it was >only 6 months back that I decided to upgrade from fvwm1 to 2. Well, quite. I've got a fvwm s

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-20 Thread Tim Connors
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:29:27PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > > > >Geez, no fvwm users yet? > >(Not that I usually answer these polls) > > > >Of course, I have a setup I have been happy with for 6 years, so it was > >only 6 months back that I decided t

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:04:03PM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:49:55PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: > > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > > > > > Debian users, > > > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > > >

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Larry Colen
Been to busy with work, didn't see this. I've been using fvwm for years. Now I'm running fvwm2. It has some features I really like and haven't seen easily in other desktops. Also the last time I tried another desktop it was so freaking slow, I couldn't stand it. Since I've been going through UI l

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Larry Colen
Been to busy with work, didn't see this. I've been using fvwm for years. Now I'm running fvwm2. It has some features I really like and haven't seen easily in other desktops. Also the last time I tried another desktop it was so freaking slow, I couldn't stand it. Since I've been going through UI l

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:04:03PM -0800, Tom Ballard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:49:55PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: > > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > > > > > Debian users, > > > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > > >

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Tim Connors
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? Geez, no fvwm users yet? (Not that I usually answer these po

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Tim Connors
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? Geez, no fvwm users yet? (Not that I usually answer these po

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Jeff
Russell Coker, 2003-Nov-20 04:14 +1100: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:00, Caoilte O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > doesn't fam engage in periodic disk access? i certainly get > > a lot less when not using kde despite having 256M RAM. > > I was under the impression that the sole point of FAM was

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Jeff
Russell Coker, 2003-Nov-20 04:14 +1100: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:00, Caoilte O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > doesn't fam engage in periodic disk access? i certainly get > > a lot less when not using kde despite having 256M RAM. > > I was under the impression that the sole point of FAM was

RE: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
> -Original Message- > From: Anders Ellenshøj Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:32 PM > To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Debian Users... > > > On Wednesday 19 November 2003 19:58, Micha Feigin wrote:

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 19:58, Micha Feigin wrote: > All the eye candy stresses the cpu and there are some background daemons > that stress both the cpu and fire up the hardrive (although linux does > that anyway every about 30 secs especially with journaled file systems) > All this takes ba

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Anders Ellensh?j Andersen wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2003 13:41, Caoilte O'Connor wrote: > > > who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. > > yuck. > > Excuse me but how can using KDE impact your battery life? > All the eye cand

RE: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
> -Original Message- > From: Anders Ellenshøj Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Debian Users... > > > On Wednesday 19 November 2003 19:58, Micha Feigin wrote: > > > A

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 19:58, Micha Feigin wrote: > All the eye candy stresses the cpu and there are some background daemons > that stress both the cpu and fire up the hardrive (although linux does > that anyway every about 30 secs especially with journaled file systems) > All this takes ba

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Anders Ellensh?j Andersen wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2003 13:41, Caoilte O'Connor wrote: > > > who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. > > yuck. > > Excuse me but how can using KDE impact your battery life? > All the eye cand

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > > who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. > > yuck. > > Excuse me but how can using KDE impact your battery life? Well, CPU cycles are expensive battery-wise (it's more expensive to do "something" th

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:00, Caoilte O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > doesn't fam engage in periodic disk access? i certainly get > a lot less when not using kde despite having 256M RAM. I was under the impression that the sole point of FAM was to avoid disk access, it should use the kernel dn

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Caoilte O'Connor
doesn't fam engage in periodic disk access? i certainly get a lot less when not using kde despite having 256M RAM. anyway, i was referring to load time, 'caus my laptop processor throttles down when running on batteries. kde becomes unwieldy, whereas ion+emacs+xterm ziiips. c On Wednesday 19

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 13:41, Caoilte O'Connor wrote: > who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. > yuck. Excuse me but how can using KDE impact your battery life? Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.4 on Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > > who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. > > yuck. > > Excuse me but how can using KDE impact your battery life? Well, CPU cycles are expensive battery-wise (it's more expensive to do "something" th

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:00, Caoilte O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > doesn't fam engage in periodic disk access? i certainly get > a lot less when not using kde despite having 256M RAM. I was under the impression that the sole point of FAM was to avoid disk access, it should use the kernel dn

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Caoilte O'Connor
doesn't fam engage in periodic disk access? i certainly get a lot less when not using kde despite having 256M RAM. anyway, i was referring to load time, 'caus my laptop processor throttles down when running on batteries. kde becomes unwieldy, whereas ion+emacs+xterm ziiips. c On Wednesday 19

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 13:41, Caoilte O'Connor wrote: > who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. > yuck. Excuse me but how can using KDE impact your battery life? Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.4 on Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Caoilte O'Connor
> If you want a complete desktop environment, we can agree > on that, as it is the wm I use, too;-) > > For a quick windowmanager alone, however, I think ion the > wm of choice. i'm with you there. who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. yuck. such a shame eclipse is unusab

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Caoilte O'Connor
> If you want a complete desktop environment, we can agree > on that, as it is the wm I use, too;-) > > For a quick windowmanager alone, however, I think ion the > wm of choice. i'm with you there. who could face loading all of KDE when running on batteries. yuck. such a shame eclipse is unusab

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Joseph Fahey
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > ratpoison, even after trying some of the competitors.

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-19 Thread Joseph Fahey
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > ratpoison, even after trying some of the competitors. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dutch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003 Nov 18 16:57 -0600]: > -how many of you are running Gnome? I'm running a couple of Gnome apps and have some support libs installed, but am not running Gnome per se. > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) Nope. > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/p

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dutch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003 Nov 18 16:57 -0600]: > -how many of you are running Gnome? I'm running a couple of Gnome apps and have some support libs installed, but am not running Gnome per se. > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) Nope. > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/p

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
Dutch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... ratpoison, rxvt, emacs, guile-sdl <-- not yet released. (no mouse, via Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.) thi

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread xsdg
xfce4 (and, consequently, xfwm4) I like xfwm4 because it allows me to do everything with the keyboard (which is one of the reasons I really liked ion), but it doesn't force me to, like ion does. Also, it also gives me the eye-candy lovin' that I crave (which was another drawback of ion). Addi

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
Dutch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... ratpoison, rxvt, emacs, guile-sdl <-- not yet released. (no mouse, via Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.) thi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe"

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread xsdg
xfce4 (and, consequently, xfwm4) I like xfwm4 because it allows me to do everything with the keyboard (which is one of the reasons I really liked ion), but it doesn't force me to, like ion does. Also, it also gives me the eye-candy lovin' that I crave (which was another drawback of ion). Addi

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Johannes Zarl
> Who in their right mind would choose another desktop but the one true, > nice looking, user friendly, slick and fast.. > > KDE? If you want a complete desktop environment, we can agree on that, as it is the wm I use, too;-) For a quick windowmanager alone, however, I think ion the wm of choic

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:18:16PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > Who in their right mind would choose another desktop but the one true, nice > looking, user friendly, slick and fast.. > > KDE? Anyone who actually wants to get work done? /Y - bah :-)

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:57:34PM +0100, François TOURDE wrote: > > editor and a shell (to compile and run), > > I use my editor to compile and run... Is it really only an editor? I > use emacs and M-x compile :) Most of what I do can't be run easily from the editor, as it's at best cross-compil

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Dr. Fred M'Bogo
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:10:52 -0500 Dutch wrote: > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? Xfce on Sid on all my laptops -- Yours truly: Dr. Fred M'Bogo Doctor of Witchcraft

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Johannes Zarl
> Who in their right mind would choose another desktop but the one true, > nice looking, user friendly, slick and fast.. > > KDE? If you want a complete desktop environment, we can agree on that, as it is the wm I use, too;-) For a quick windowmanager alone, however, I think ion the wm of choic

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:18:16PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > Who in their right mind would choose another desktop but the one true, nice > looking, user friendly, slick and fast.. > > KDE? Anyone who actually wants to get work done? /Y - bah :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:57:34PM +0100, François TOURDE wrote: > > editor and a shell (to compile and run), > > I use my editor to compile and run... Is it really only an editor? I > use emacs and M-x compile :) Most of what I do can't be run easily from the editor, as it's at best cross-compil

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread François TOURDE
WM ... I probably use 1% of the WM power, which use less than 1% of my cpu power. Le 12374ième jour après Epoch, Yves Rutschle écrivait: > On a large screen, I > will typically want to have gkrellm or similar monitors, an I do, it's great ! > editor and a shell (to compile and run), I use my

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Dr. Fred M'Bogo
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:10:52 -0500 Dutch wrote: > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? Xfce on Sid on all my laptops -- Yours truly: Dr. Fred M'Bogo Doctor of Witchcraft -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contac

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread François TOURDE
WM ... I probably use 1% of the WM power, which use less than 1% of my cpu power. Le 12374ième jour après Epoch, Yves Rutschle écrivait: > On a large screen, I > will typically want to have gkrellm or similar monitors, an I do, it's great ! > editor and a shell (to compile and run), I use my

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Adam Huuva
Tom Ballard wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:49:55PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: Just sorta takin an informal poll here... Debian users, -how many of you are running Gnome? -how many are running WindowMaker (me) -If not WM,then which wind

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Adam Huuva
Tom Ballard wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:49:55PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: Just sorta takin an informal poll here... Debian users, -how many of you are running Gnome? -how many are running WindowMaker (me) -If not WM,then which windowman

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Ryan M. Golbeck
Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:19:46PM -0500, Ryan M. Golbeck wrote: >> apt-get install ratpoison > > ratpoison looks interesting (I never actually tried it, > because I ran into ION first and fell in love). > > The idea of only having one, full-screen frame

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:19:46PM -0500, Ryan M. Golbeck wrote: > apt-get install ratpoison ratpoison looks interesting (I never actually tried it, because I ran into ION first and fell in love). The idea of only having one, full-screen frame at a time seem to reductionnist to me, though. On a l

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Ryan M. Golbeck
Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: >> -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > > ION, the only WM that has actually invented something since > 1978 (more or less) and rids window managing of its most > irritating asp

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 19:10, Dutch wrote: > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? Who in their right mind would choose another desktop but the one true, nice looking, user friendly, slick and fast.. KDE? For me there isn't even a choice. Anders -- This email was gener

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Ryan M. Golbeck
Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:19:46PM -0500, Ryan M. Golbeck wrote: >> apt-get install ratpoison > > ratpoison looks interesting (I never actually tried it, > because I ran into ION first and fell in love). > > The idea of only having one, full-screen frame

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Martin Skøtt
Openbox (blackbox clone). I'm using the Gnome panel, but looking to replace it with something better. On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMak

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:19:46PM -0500, Ryan M. Golbeck wrote: > apt-get install ratpoison ratpoison looks interesting (I never actually tried it, because I ran into ION first and fell in love). The idea of only having one, full-screen frame at a time seem to reductionnist to me, though. On a l

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Matt Foster
sawfish Quoting Dutch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > (I have and am used to WindowMaker. Was thi

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Tom Ballard
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:49:55PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > > > Debian users, > > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > > > -If not WM,then which wi

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? ION, the only WM that has actually invented something since 1978 (more or less) and rids window managing of its most irritating aspects (which are equally found in WindowMaker, KDE, Gnom

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > (I have and am used to WindowMaker. Was thinking

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Ryan M. Golbeck
Yves Rutschle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: >> -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > > ION, the only WM that has actually invented something since > 1978 (more or less) and rids window managing of its most > irritating asp

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 19:10, Dutch wrote: > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? Who in their right mind would choose another desktop but the one true, nice looking, user friendly, slick and fast.. KDE? For me there isn't even a choice. Anders -- This email was gener

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Mark Barnes
windowmaker On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > (I have and am us

RE: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
> -Original Message- > From: Dutch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 12:11 PM > To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > Subject: Debian Users... > > > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how m

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Martin Skøtt
Openbox (blackbox clone). I'm using the Gnome panel, but looking to replace it with something better. On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMak

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Matt Foster
sawfish Quoting Dutch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > Debian users, > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > -If not WM,then which windowmanager doyou use/prefer? > > (I have and am used to WindowMaker. Was thi

Re: Debian Users...

2003-11-18 Thread Tom Ballard
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:49:55PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:10, Dutch wrote: > > Just sorta takin an informal poll here... > > > > Debian users, > > -how many of you are running Gnome? > > > > -how many are running WindowMaker (me) > > > > -If not WM,then which wi

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