Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:23:40 -0400 Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 05 octobre 2005 à 20:19 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > > Silence as response to both questions (from all but you and I) I > > dare interpret as "we have alrea

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-12 Thread Jeff Bailey
Le mercredi 05 octobre 2005 à 20:19 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > Silence as response to both questions (from all but you and I) I dare > interpret as "we have already decided on initramfs-tools and are either > too lazy or too busy to even shed light on the issues we have with > yaird". I h

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-08 Thread Jeff Bailey
Le samedi 08 octobre 2005 à 09:48 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 06:10:17PM -0400, Jeff Bailey wrote: > Le jeudi 06 octobre 2005 à 18:07 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : > > > initrd-tool can do either ext2 or cramfs, but not really initramfs, altough i > > believe you can

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:48:16 +0200 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And initrd requires pivot_root to chain to the root system. On an > > initramfs, a pivot_root will crash it. You need to do a move mount > > Oh didn't know. How do you do

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 06:10:17PM -0400, Jeff Bailey wrote: > Le jeudi 06 octobre 2005 à 18:07 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : > > > initrd-tool can do either ext2 or cramfs, but not really initramfs, altough > > i > > believe you can override it with the right invocation to cpio used with the > >

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-07 Thread Jeff Bailey
Le jeudi 06 octobre 2005 à 18:07 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : initrd-tool can do either ext2 or cramfs, but not really initramfs, altough i believe you can override it with the right invocation to cpio used with the right option of initrd-tools. it defaults to ext2 on 2.4 kernels and cramfs o

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-07 Thread Jeff Bailey
Le mercredi 05 octobre 2005 à 12:12 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : Sven Luther wrote: > Why would it break the beta ? since we should now be using the meta packages > everywhere, and the 2.6.13 should add no new dependency, the only problem i > would see is the inclusion of kernel packages in the

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 11:57:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:07:24 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >> So, if there is an explicit value, use that, or else fall back > >> through any of mkinitrd, mkinitramfs, or yaird, which happen to be > >> installed

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:07:24 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> So, if there is an explicit value, use that, or else fall back >> through any of mkinitrd, mkinitramfs, or yaird, which happen to be >> installed. > What about delegating the initrd creation to the > /etc/kernel/postinst

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Horms
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 02:20:53PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:30:28 +0100 > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:09:59PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:4

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:21:11AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:40 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:12:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > >> d-i contains code to install and set up initrd-tools. The > >> likelyhood of yaird or

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:40 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:12:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: >> d-i contains code to install and set up initrd-tools. The >> likelyhood of yaird or initramfs-tools working everywhere with no >> d-i changes is zero. > Ah, ..

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:30:28 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:09:59PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:45:13PM +0900, Horms wrote: > > > I am, right at this moment, building 2.6.13-1.exp

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:09:59PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:45:13PM +0900, Horms wrote: > > I am, right at this moment, building 2.6.13-1.experimental.1, and > > This should be 2.6.13-0.experimental.1, which would be lower than 2.6.13-1 > which we would upload to unst

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:45:13PM +0900, Horms wrote: > I am, right at this moment, building 2.6.13-1.experimental.1, and This should be 2.6.13-0.experimental.1, which would be lower than 2.6.13-1 which we would upload to unstable. Don't forget to make sure you include the .orig tarball though, a

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Horms
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:00:12PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > * Horms wrote: > > I am, right at this moment, building 2.6.13-1.experimental.1, and > > assuming the i386 build completes I will upload. I already know it > > doesn't compile on HPPA, and I expect other FTBFS. > > It will fail

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Horms wrote: > I am, right at this moment, building 2.6.13-1.experimental.1, and > assuming the i386 build completes I will upload. I already know it > doesn't compile on HPPA, and I expect other FTBFS. It will fail on alpha too, I hope I'll find time next weekend to update the configs. Norbert

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Horms
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 11:15:04AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:13:05 +0200 > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:19:14PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED ME

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:13:05 +0200 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:19:14PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > If not, why? > > > > > > I guess generic miscomprehension, or

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:49:54 -0600 dann frazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 00:22 +0200, Marco Amadori wrote: > > Alle 23:13, mercoledì 5 ottobre 2005, dann frazier ha scritto: > > > > > And also, what will be the best way to m

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:19:14PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > If not, why? > > > > I guess generic miscomprehension, or whatever. The fact that ubuntu > > uses initramfs-tools for example, and so on. > > I would guess similarly. My interest was (and

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Horms
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 08:12:38AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > the documentation build is fixed too now, the package is ready to be > uploaded. Ok, I will build, tag, upload to experimental. I'll be on #debian-kernel, ping me if you want a last minute changes. -- Horms -- T

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, the documentation build is fixed too now, the package is ready to be uploaded. Best regards Frederik Schueler -- ENOSIG signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Horms
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:14:43PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:23:36PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > Hello, > > > > let's upload 2.6.13 to experimental. > > So, who will find time to do it ? I can build an upload it if that is desired. But I can't take care of

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread dann frazier
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 00:22 +0200, Marco Amadori wrote: > Alle 23:13, mercoledì 5 ottobre 2005, dann frazier ha scritto: > > > And also, what will be the best way to migrate? Should we make a new > > initrd-tools package that provides a /usr/sbin/mkinitrd script that > > selects a backend and per

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Marco Amadori
Alle 23:13, mercoledì 5 ottobre 2005, dann frazier ha scritto: > And also, what will be the best way to migrate? Should we make a new > initrd-tools package that provides a /usr/sbin/mkinitrd script that > selects a backend and performs any necessary argument munging? > (I think someone suggested

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread dann frazier
On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 17:28 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:24:17 +0200 > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That was initramfs-tools, we should evaluate also yaird. > > Is anyone (besides you, sven) interested

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:40 +0200 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, i installed yaird, and the only modification i had to do to my > /etc/kernel-img.conf was to set the mkinitrd-hook, or whatever this > one was called to point to yaird ins

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:02:59 +0200 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:28:27PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:24:17 +0200 > > Sven Luth

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:12:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > Why would it break the beta ? since we should now be using the meta packages > > everywhere, and the 2.6.13 should add no new dependency, the only problem i > > would see is the inclusion of kernel packages in the d

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Joey Hess
Sven Luther wrote: > Why would it break the beta ? since we should now be using the meta packages > everywhere, and the 2.6.13 should add no new dependency, the only problem i > would see is the inclusion of kernel packages in the distribution media, and > their dependencies (yaird and/or initramfs

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:28:27PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:24:17 +0200 > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That was initramfs-tools, we should evaluate also yaird. > > Is anyone (besides you, sven) inte

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:24:17 +0200 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was initramfs-tools, we should evaluate also yaird. Is anyone (besides you, sven) interested in yaird at all? If not, why? - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealis

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:23:36PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > let's upload 2.6.13 to experimental. So, who will find time to do it ? :) Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 12:34:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Horms wrote: > > I've CCed debian-boot, hopefully Franz or another d-i person can comment > > on this. I'd like to get a better understanding of what the issue > > relating to 2.6.12 in testing and d-i is. Though I do not see a week or >

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 01:06:50PM +0900, Horms wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:46:18PM -0400, Jeff Bailey wrote: > > Le lundi 03 octobre 2005 à 18:01 +0900, Horms a écrit : > > > > > > > What is the status of replacing initrd. Do we actually have a solution > > > that works across a wide ran

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Horms
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:46:18PM -0400, Jeff Bailey wrote: > Le lundi 03 octobre 2005 à 18:01 +0900, Horms a écrit : > > > > What is the status of replacing initrd. Do we actually have a solution > > that works across a wide range of architectres? Wide enough for > > an upload to experimental?

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Jeff Bailey
Le lundi 03 octobre 2005 à 18:01 +0900, Horms a écrit : What is the status of replacing initrd. Do we actually have a solution that works across a wide range of architectres? Wide enough for an upload to experimental? Wide enough for unstable and testing? initramfs-tools is test on i386,

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Horms
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 01:15:00PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > I don't actually see any problem with 2.6.13 reaching sid before the d-i > > beta. If would of course be disastrous if it reached etch before the > > beta, since it's certian to break d-i etc etc but that's what RC bu

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, let's upload 2.6.13 to experimental. Best regards Frederik Schueler -- ENOSIG signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: > I don't actually see any problem with 2.6.13 reaching sid before the d-i > beta. If would of course be disastrous if it reached etch before the > beta, since it's certian to break d-i etc etc but that's what RC bugs > are for. Well, aside from the problem that it assumes that th

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Joey Hess
Horms wrote: > I've CCed debian-boot, hopefully Franz or another d-i person can comment > on this. I'd like to get a better understanding of what the issue > relating to 2.6.12 in testing and d-i is. Though I do not see a week or > so as being a major issue. I don't actually see any problem with 2

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 04 October 2005 15:56, Allyn, Mark A wrote: > I am a little confused. Is experimental the first distro that anything > goes into in order to get into Debian? Experimental is an *optional* testing ground for developers. Changes that are known to break things or very invasive may be uplo

RE: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Allyn, Mark A
I am a little confused. Is experimental the first distro that anything goes into in order to get into Debian? I thought that Unstable is the place where Debian downloads new changes in the kernel and user applications. On the section in the Debian website, they mention stable, testing, and unsta

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 07:59:39PM +0900, Horms wrote: > > > My impresion of experimental, is that it is very green, and as such > > > > You mean the trunk branch ? > > No I ment the experimental distribution, or whatever it is called. No, experimental is something true and tried, and was used

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Horms
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:39:00AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:04:10PM +0900, Horms wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:19:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > I've CCed debian-boot, hopefully Franz or another d-i person can comment > > on this. I'd like to get a better u

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:04:10PM +0900, Horms wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:19:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > I've CCed debian-boot, hopefully Franz or another d-i person can comment > on this. I'd like to get a better understanding of what the issue > relating to 2.6.12 in testing and d-

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Horms
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:19:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 06:01:53PM +0900, Horms wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 06:18:40AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have just been thinking about something this morning. > > > > > > We apparently need to w

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 06:01:53PM +0900, Horms wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 06:18:40AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have just been thinking about something this morning. > > > > We apparently need to wait for 2.6.13 to be uploaded for some time yet for > > the > > debian-ins

Re: 2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-03 Thread Horms
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 06:18:40AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Hi, > > I have just been thinking about something this morning. > > We apparently need to wait for 2.6.13 to be uploaded for some time yet for the > debian-installer beta release to happen. So, i wondered if we would not be > better

2.6.13, experimental and 2.6.14-rc ...

2005-10-02 Thread Sven Luther
Hi, I have just been thinking about something this morning. We apparently need to wait for 2.6.13 to be uploaded for some time yet for the debian-installer beta release to happen. So, i wondered if we would not be better off by forgetting about 2.6.13, and make a 2.6.14-rc upload to experimental