Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Michael Biebl wrote: > Something interesting I noticed: > > I created the ext4 file system on a spare partition and installed a chroot. > After running the test, I exited the chroot, immediately unmounted the > partition > and measured how long it took: > > 1.15.8.5: 0.

Bug#564628: [PATCH] net/r8169: Correct the ram code for RTL8111D(L)

2010-11-29 Thread hayeswang
Hi Romieu, Let me explain that not all of the phy settings are the ram code (or firmware). Some of them are the initialization sequence. Only the "Low pass filter & DLY_CAP fine tune from uC" is the firmware. And there is no firmware before RTL8111D. That is, except 8111DP, the chips which have fi

Bug#605448: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64: xen dom0 and domU hang on reboot/halt

2010-11-29 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Richard Mittendorfer writes: > Version: 2.6.32-28 > likely https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/11/26/197 Does this mean that you tested 2.6.32-27 and that works? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debia

Bug#605450: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: Please support and update multitouch driver of Macbookpro 7,1.

2010-11-29 Thread Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
Package: linux-2.6 Version: 2.6.32-28 Severity: normal Tags: patch Hi, Current Linux-2.6 package does not work multitouch device of Macbookpro 7,1. This is because driver does not support a multitouch protocol of Macbookpro. The patch revising this problem is already taken in by upstream. 6f270

linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1_hppa.changes ACCEPTED into proposed-updates

2010-11-29 Thread Debian FTP Masters
Notes: Mapping stable-security to proposed-updates. Accepted: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-all-hppa_2.6.26-26lenny1_hppa.deb to main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-all-hppa_2.6.26-26lenny1_hppa.deb linux-headers-2.6.26-2-all_2.6.26-26lenny1_hppa.deb to main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-

linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1_i386.changes ACCEPTED into proposed-updates

2010-11-29 Thread Debian FTP Masters
Notes: Mapping stable-security to proposed-updates. Accepted: linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1.diff.gz to main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1.diff.gz linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1.dsc to main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1.dsc linux-doc-2.6.26_2.6.26-26lenny1_all.deb to main/l/linux-2.

Bug#605448: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64: xen dom0 and domU hang on reboot/halt

2010-11-29 Thread Richard Mittendorfer
Package: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 Version: 2.6.32-28 Severity: normal If Xen dom0 or domU kernel shuts down for halt or reboot it just sits there trying to issue hw reboot/halt. likely https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/11/26/197 -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid Architecture: amd6

Bug#605395: Follow up

2010-11-29 Thread Orson
Sorry, strike the info I gave earlier, I got confused. The express cards I tried earlier were both dual port cards, it's just that one was xpress54 and one 34, they both have the same id. and both exhibit the same problem I guess because they are basically the same card. The single port card

Bug#564628: [PATCH] net/r8169: Correct the ram code for RTL8111D(L)

2010-11-29 Thread Stephen Hemminger
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:33:34 +0100 Francois Romieu wrote: > hayeswang : > > Excuse me, I have some questions about the firmware patch. > > > > 1. I should convert the data into the binary files (.bin). Is it right? > > You may do it. > > Fwiw I have cooked something for it in the attached pat

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Biebl
On 29.11.2010 14:41, Michael Biebl wrote: > I'm using ext4 (as already mentioned), my small benchmark is (re)installing > vim-runtime using dpkg -i > > 1.15.8.5: > real0m9.259s > user0m4.212s > sys 0m0.752s > > 1.15.8.6: > real0m41.766s > user0m4.248s > sys 0m1.028s > > 1

Bug#604096: Nvidia + Xen

2010-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 20:01 -0200, Jorge Eduardo Birck wrote: > Hi! > > > I have just installed Debian 6 and Xen, and i cant use Xserver > (nvidia) in my Dom0 2.6.32-5-xen-686 . So i cant use this pc for > personal user , just for servers =( > > > Is the same bug? Can i use another kernel? Whic

Re: Bug#574529: updated text

2010-11-29 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 09:43:13AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > Maks & I discussed this on IRC and drafted the following text which we > believe is ready for inclusion: (...) Thanks for the information, I have included it in the Release Notes: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/ddp/manuals/trunk/relea

Bug#590105: SATA drive not detected during squeeze installation on Buffalo LinkStation (squeeze)

2010-11-29 Thread Sébastien LALLEMAND
Nice to know ! Hope this patch will be accepted soon :) 2010/11/29 Martin Michlmayr > Sébastien, > > You have a LS-CHL, right? The LS-CHL is currently not supported by > the kernel. The logs show that you're booting the kernel for > Linkstation Pro/Live and I suspect that doesn't properly wor

Re: ARM: OMAP2+ flavour

2010-11-29 Thread Sebastian Reichel
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 06:17:59PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Sebastian Reichel [2010-11-23 09:42]: > > The config does not disable the support for other OMAP devices. It > > should support most of the OMAP devices available (but they > > probably need some more drivers). The only limitati

Bug#604096: Nvidia + Xen

2010-11-29 Thread Jorge Eduardo Birck
Hi! I have just installed Debian 6 and Xen, and i cant use Xserver (nvidia) in my Dom0 2.6.32-5-xen-686 . So i cant use this pc for personal user , just for servers =( Is the same bug? Can i use another kernel? Which one? Thank you.

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > (Dropping bug report) > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote: >> > Hence the fact that all file system developers, whether they were >> > btrfs developers or XFS developers or ext4 developers, made the joke >> > at the file system

Bug#560586: Building only one target doesn't work (always) (binary-arch_armel_none_kirkwood)

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Adrian von Bidder [2009-12-11 10:44]: > Trying to build my 2.6.32 for my QNAP (as documented in README.Debian) > fails because the config is not generated: > > IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > 'debian/build/config.armel_none_kirkwood' > make[1]: *** [debian/build/config.armel_n

Bug#603229: Scheduler grouping failure; division by zero in select_task_rq_fair

2010-11-29 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:50:25PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 20:14 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > > [0.856002] Pid: 2, comm: kthreadd Not tainted 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 > > > W1100z/2100z > > > > What's in that kernel? is that simply t

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Dropping bug report) On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > > Hence the fact that all file system developers, whether they were > > btrfs developers or XFS developers or ext4 developers, made the joke > > at the file system developers summit two years ago, that what the > > application p

Bug#567098: marked as done (linux-image-2.6.26-2-ixp4xx: adm8511/pegasus usb ethernet device loses mac on nslu2 when cold-plugged)

2010-11-29 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:55:07 + with message-id <20101129185507.gi7...@jirafa.cyrius.com> and subject line Re: Bug#567098: linux-image-2.6.26-2-ixp4xx: adm8511/pegasus usb ethernet device loses mac on nslu2 when cold-plugged has caused the Debian Bug report #567098, regarding li

Re: ARM: OMAP2+ flavour

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Sebastian Reichel [2010-11-23 09:42]: > The config does not disable the support for other OMAP devices. It > should support most of the OMAP devices available (but they > probably need some more drivers). The only limitation is, that > it must use an OMAP2 processor or later (you have to select

Bug#604013: base: "ls -al" on armel inside loopback mounted ISO image failes with -1 ENOMEM

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Michlmayr
FWIW, Arnaud Patard tried to reproduce this issue on QEMU (with 128 MB) and a SheevaPlug but couldn't. Robert, can you send the boot log when booting Debian on your device? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a su

Bug#590105: SATA drive not detected during squeeze installation on Buffalo LinkStation (squeeze)

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Michlmayr
Sébastien, You have a LS-CHL, right? The LS-CHL is currently not supported by the kernel. The logs show that you're booting the kernel for Linkstation Pro/Live and I suspect that doesn't properly work on the LS-CHL. ARM Orion: added Buffalo LS-CHL support https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/3488

Processed: Please add support for Linkstation variant LS-CHL

2010-11-29 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 590105 linux-2.6 Bug #590105 [sata-modules-2.6.32-5-orion5x-di] SATA drive not detected during squeeze installation on Buffalo LinkStation (squeeze) Bug reassigned from package 'sata-modules-2.6.32-5-orion5x-di' to 'linux-2.6'. Bug No l

Bug#567098: linux-image-2.6.26-2-ixp4xx: adm8511/pegasus usb ethernet device loses mac on nslu2 when cold-plugged

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Michlmayr
Devin, did you report this issue upstream? Since you have the hardware, it makes sense to work with upstream directly. If you're not interested in reporting it upstream, I'll close this bug report. (Note that this is my 3rd ping.) * Martin Michlmayr [2010-02-22 21:49]: > * Devin Carraway [201

Processed: fixed in experimental

2010-11-29 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > found 423562 2.6.32-28 Bug #423562 [linux-2.6] linux-image-2.6-ixp4xx: XFS-filesystem crashes There is no source info for the package 'linux-2.6' at version '2.6.32-28' with architecture '' Unable to make a source version for version '2.6.32-28'

Bug#604096: Bug#602418: #601341, #602418 and #604096 seem to be duplicates

2010-11-29 Thread Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
.. snip of back-history.. > > Thanks for the pointers. > > > > I agree with Bastian that some of these changes are really quite nasty. > > Do you and other Xen developers have any plan for how to fix the GART > > and TTM mapping problems in a cleaner way as Xen dom0 support goes > > upstream? >

Bug#603229: Scheduler grouping failure; division by zero in select_task_rq_fair

2010-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:50:25PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 20:14 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > [0.856002] Pid: 2, comm: kthreadd Not tainted 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 > > W1100z/2100z > > What's in that kernel? is that simply the latest .32-stable? No, we have quite

When to use POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED (Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4)

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Ted Ts'o wrote: > Most files won't, but consider a postinstall script which needs to > scan/index a documentation file, or simply run one or more binaries > that was just installed. I can definitely imagine situations where > using POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED could actually hurt performance. Hmm. Maybe

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:32:44AM -0500, Ted Ts'o wrote: > Most files won't, but consider a postinstall script which needs to > scan/index a documentation file, or simply run one or more binaries > that was just installed. I can definitely imagine situations where > using POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED coul

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Ted Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 09:21:44AM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > That explanation helps a lot. Thanks, both. (Guillem, I like your > patch very much then. Most files being unpacked in a dpkg run aren't > going to be read back again soon. Perhaps some other kernels will > also interpret it

Bug#605395: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: JMicron Technology JMB362 JMB363 SError: { DevExch } ExpressCard, sometimes fails to boot

2010-11-29 Thread Orson
Package: linux-2.6 Version: 2.6.32-28 Severity: important dmesg becomes completely filled with this message with only a couple of hours uptime, the messages start to appear immediately after boot, sometimes whilst booting. If booting to a command prompt, the messages just keep filling up the termi

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Ted Ts'o wrote: > Lots of users have complained about the desktop performance problem, > but the reality is we can't really solve that without also taking away > the magic that made (c) happen.  Whether you solve it by using > data=writeback and stick with ext3, or

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Ted Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 02:58:16PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > This is the standard way that ordinary files for which reliability was > important have been updated on Unix for decades. fsync is for files > which need synchronisation with things external to the computer (or at > least, external

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Ted Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 02:16:02PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> It means we don't need to keep it in RAM since we're not going to >> read/modifiy it again in the near future. Thus the writeback can be >> started right now since delaying it will not save us anything. >> >> At

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression > with ext4"): >> Probably not an issue for dpkg, but in general: >> Don't you reset meta-data that way? > > Yes.  If you want to keep the metadata you must copy it. I

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4"): > Probably not an issue for dpkg, but in general: > Don't you reset meta-data that way? Yes. If you want to keep the metadata you must copy it. > Require a second file (name), permission to write to it and as

Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/4] Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Theodore Tso wrote: > So Patch #2 wasn't quite what I talked about doing; patch #2 is adding > SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_BEFORE for each file immediately after writing the file. > So it's the equivalent of: > > extract(a) > sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) > sync_file_range(SYNC_FI

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Bastian Blank wrote: > Again: Please quote the standard instead of crying. Your view of things > disallows many of the recent improvements in filesystems, so you have to > show evidence. All the databases and other reliable data handing tools > uses fsync since a l

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression > with ext4"): >> Are there any plans to provide an API for atomic (non-durable) file >> updates, not involving fsync? > > Yes.  Such an API has already been defined by

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Ted Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 02:16:02PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > It means we don't need to keep it in RAM since we're not going to > read/modifiy it again in the near future. Thus the writeback can be > started right now since delaying it will not save us anything. > > At least that's the way

Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/4] Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Ted Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 02:46:11PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Theodore Tso wrote: > > BTW, if you had opened the file handle in subsequent passes using > > O_RDONLY|O_NOATIME, the use of fdatasync() instead of fsync() might not > > have been necessary. And as far as the

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Biebl
On 29.11.2010 07:18, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Could someone with ext4/btrfs/xfs/etc test w/ and w/o the attached patch > against dpkg? I'm using ext4 (as already mentioned), my small benchmark is (re)installing vim-runtime using dpkg -i 1.15.8.5: real0m9.259s user0m4.212s sys 0m0.75

Bug#603229: Scheduler grouping failure; division by zero in select_task_rq_fair

2010-11-29 Thread Frede Feuerstein
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 12:50 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 20:14 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > [0.856002] Pid: 2, comm: kthreadd Not tainted 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 > > W1100z/2100z > > What's in that kernel? is that simply the latest .32-stable? It was the latest stable

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:22:25PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression > with ext4"): > > Are there any plans to provide an API for atomic (non-durable) file > > updates, not involving fsync? > Yes. Such an API has already been def

Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/4] Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Theodore Tso wrote: > BTW, if you had opened the file handle in subsequent passes using > O_RDONLY|O_NOATIME, the use of fdatasync() instead of fsync() might not > have been necessary. And as far as the comments in patch #4 was Hum, fsync()/fdatasync() require a fd opened fo

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Olaf van der Spek writes ("Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4"): > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Ted Ts'o wrote: > > I am guessing you are doing (a) today --- am I right? =C2=A0(c) or (d) > > would be best. > > Are there any plans to provide an API for atomic (non-durab

Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/4] Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Theodore Tso
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:48 AM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > Results (on ext4) suggest that patches 1 and 4 matter and the rest are > within noise. Timings are rough; sometimes replicates vary by as much > as a second. Numbers are cold cache (i.e., after running sync and > echo 3>.../drop_caches),

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Guillem Jover wrote: > > Hmm, ok so what about posix_fadvise(fd, 0, 0, POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED) > > instead, skimming over the kernel source seems to indicate it might > > end up doing more or less the same thing but in a portable way? > > Probably a silly

Bug#603229: Scheduler grouping failure; division by zero in select_task_rq_fair

2010-11-29 Thread Peter Zijlstra
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 20:14 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > [0.856002] Pid: 2, comm: kthreadd Not tainted 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 > W1100z/2100z What's in that kernel? is that simply the latest .32-stable? > [0.536554] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: > [0.540004] domain 0: span 0-1 level MC >

Bug#604627: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: megasas: Failed to alloc kernel SGL buffer for IOCTL

2010-11-29 Thread Marc-Christian Petersen
Moin Bjørn, On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:55:01 +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Does the selftest actually work? Artem Bokhan reports that the patch > fixes the visible error, but that the selftest does not start. I really > don't understand why, as AFAICS the patch does not change or modify any > part of

Bug#600846: Kernel failure in new 2.6.32.28 kernel

2010-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 11:04 +0100, hu...@online.de wrote: > Hi, > > after a system upgrade to the current state of Debian Testing - which > included an upgrade > of the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package to the version 2.6.32.28 - a > kernel failure occured. > The failure message has been sent t

Bug#604627: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: megasas: Failed to alloc kernel SGL buffer for IOCTL

2010-11-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marc-Christian Petersen writes: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:25:44 +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > >> Please see if this is fixed by the patch I recently posted to the >> linux-scsi list: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ide/47847 >> >> I believe you are seeing another symptom of the same bug: The

Re: [PATCH 1/4] dpkg: On Linux initiate writeback of unpacked files ASAP

2010-11-29 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:50:09AM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > The sync_file_range call has been available since Linux 2.6.17. > On non-Linux systems we can skip it. It still should check for ENOSYS instead of bailing out. Bastian -- No problem is insoluble. -- Dr. Janet Wal

Bug#581715: acpi-fakekey: kernel-provided name 'uinput' and NAME= 'input/uinput' disagree

2010-11-29 Thread Domenico Cufalo
I found a possible solution here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=54715 I do not know if it is a good solution, but I thought to report it to you. Ciao and thank you very much, Domenico -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Bug#604627: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: megasas: Failed to alloc kernel SGL buffer for IOCTL

2010-11-29 Thread Marc-Christian Petersen
Moin Bjørn, On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:25:44 +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Please see if this is fixed by the patch I recently posted to the > linux-scsi list: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ide/47847 > > I believe you are seeing another symptom of the same bug: The driver > happily forwards a

Bug#600846: Kernel failure in new 2.6.32.28 kernel

2010-11-29 Thread hu...@online.de
Hi, after a system upgrade to the current state of Debian Testing - which included an upgrade of the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package to the version 2.6.32.28 - a kernel failure occured. The failure message has been sent to kerneloops.com and is also shown below. Don't know if this has to do

Bug#604096: Bug#602418: #601341, #602418 and #604096 seem to be duplicates

2010-11-29 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 02:52 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 18:12 +, Ian Campbell wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 16:58 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:56 +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Alexand