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e.g., #163168. It's a bit of work but it's certainly possible - see
> > jython for an example.
>
> I think changing the upstream build system is a bad idea, see e.g.
> #162426. You need to check each new upstream version for changes and
> sometimes don't notice
in the last
> weeks and I hope I was able to get the main points into this draft.
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> too...
A. Kaffe has a JIT compiler.
B. It doesn't matter what proprietary software provides. This is Debian.
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s debian, it's all about writing, using and promoting free
> >software, right? I'm not a debian developer, but that was my impression as an
> >innocent bystander.
>
> It's also about 'our users' and from that POV, we should react to the
> situation, that
rks,
> and not an abstract idea of what is provided. For example, a package which
> works with any java2 runtime, but also works with the interfaces provided by
> kaffe, uses "java2-runtime | kaffe", etc.
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> upload'...).
Kaffe is actually mostly compatible with the JAVA_HOME "standard" now
that I use symlinks for Debian compatibility. It might be worth making
the JAVA_HOME structure part of Debian policy. GCJ and friends could
create some simulation of it by sym
hould we file? Should
> > poilcy say that free compilers must be used if they can?
>
> I'd say yes, but as a free java environment developer, I'm biased ;) Though I
> don't think it should be a severe bug preventing a package from entering
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> so almost all other Java packages in main won't move there either. Maybe
> we can use SableVM and gcj instead.
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re all C related. I'll try to fix these
> tomorrow... The one for S390 seems to be package related -
> the rt.jar gets deleted before it gets installed?? hmm??
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ative system has put gij as /usr/bin/java. App runs on
> kaffe and sunVM. App calls /usr/bin/java (or /usr/lib/jre/bin/java).
> Crash...
Tell me again how findjava fixes that problem?
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indjavarc(5) and a test script
> > dh_java (with inline manpage)
>
> I can include these in the java-common package but I will not replace
> the Java Policy. These scripts need to prove their usability first
> before they can be made mandatory.
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> for java in /usr/bin/kaffe /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4/bin/java ... ; do
>if [ -x $java ] ; then
> JAVACMD="$java"
> break
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ed to update it from time
> to time, and it will be a mess.
Yes. That is where I'm at.
> Ean wrote:
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INE_CLASSPATH=-classpath=$BASE_CLASSES:$CLASSPATH
..etc.. or something like that...
or something... but then kaffe would provide /etc/findjava/kaffe as part
of its package and findjava would pick it up and invocation time.
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finding the java
> binary, or utterly non-portable mess ;)
It could, if all Debian VMs provide a JAVA_HOME-like structure.
> Maybe it would be better to maintain the findjava-vm-binding as a
> separate package, so that bugs in one don't force exclusion of the other
> from
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I just sent a 1.1.2 upload into incoming. Lets see what the various platform
builds make of it.
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 14:59, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> Those build failures should have been fixed in 1.1.2. They were mostly
> introduced by the new gcc version being more strict about bad code
I just sent a 1.1.2 upload into incoming. Lets see what the various platform
builds make of it.
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 14:59, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> Those build failures should have been fixed in 1.1.2. They were mostly
> introduced by the new gcc version being more strict about bad code
t;
> Ean, didn't you upload an 1.1.2 release of kaffe?
>
> If you are ready to upload an 1.1.3 release, don't forget the
> patches from the NMU.
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> and free java programs with each release. Are there bugs in the newer
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There has already been explained in each bugs. Dalibor Topic and I did
> track all of them to see if they were closed (there was upstream
> bugs).
>
> What I did is give a reference in the upstream changelog so that you can
> go and read the entry. If you prefer I copy paste each
I am, but I have never claimed to be organized, detailed, or even particularly
clueful.
I just missed it.
On Wednesday 14 January 2004 23:42, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> You aren't subscribed to debian-devel-announce?
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> changelog i think.
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Oh. Uh, apt-get update helps. Never mind.
On Thursday 15 January 2004 18:01, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
> Why don't you apt-get source kaffe? I did not change a lot of things
> from your package. I did remove the patches and every thing is in the
> changelog i think.
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> packages in main are based on a co-maintained JVM package. Thanks for
> maintaining Kaffe in the past and for acting in the interests of Debian
> instead of your own!
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Is the strategy, going forward, to get Dalibor to always patch
upstream and not use DBS patches?
What is the plan?
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gij. (Thread system unix-pthread is also
> > > needed to run e.g. Eclipse with swt/gtk bindings).
> > >
> > > What do the kaffe developers think. Should kaffe default to pthreads
> > > on
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Debian specific.
>
> -- Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:33:13 +0100
>
> I hope it helps,
Of course it does!
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f you wish
to work with me on Kaffe. Following the process is an integral part of what
makes Debian work.
Again, I deeply appreciate your work but I admonish you to follow procedure or
I will take this up with Project leadership.
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; Also, I don't know why it's on -devel? kaffe is -java related... Why was
> it cross posted?.. I do read both lists (and I also receive the mail
> personally!). Who is talking about following the rules? ;-)
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Date: 2004-02-09 05:45
I am. Now, is everything that you want in 1.1
On Thursday 04 March 2004 14:43, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> When I returned to Dallas on the 25th I spent a day or so catching up with
> work and then prepared a Kaffe 1.1.4 package. When I went to upload this
> package I found, once again, that you had already performed an NMU. You
>
ith respect to maintaining kaffe for Debian is.
> Ean his idea about having a kaffe-strike force was good. But all people
> will have to communicate and participate in the strike force for it to
> work.
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> into main, is maybe a little too much for a single person alone now. It
> seems that most of debian-java developers agree with me [1] on that.
>
> > ps. Developers with platform specific experience who would like to see
> > Kaffe remain on sparc, os390, alpha and so fort
idn't pick up on the fact that this message is mostly geared to be
humorous then you are probably European or something. In short, we ironed
things out on IRC, Kaffe will move forward, many Java packages will shortly
go into main, Java will remain large, slow, proprietary and silly. Rej
of
the Kaffe classes. That should bring it up above the cutoff and still
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I just sent a new 1.0.6 deb of Kaffe into Incoming. Give it a spin.
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s porting bugs are fixed (and kaffe
> provides java1-runtime, not just java-runtime, although that is easily fixed).
>
> Ben.
I'm aware of the issues. I've been lacking in the spare time department.
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The question is do we want to proceed with the old 1.0.6 stuff or should
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Howdy,
I just sent a new 1.0.6 deb of Kaffe into Incoming. Give it a spin.
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Debian itself.
The question is do we want to proceed with the old 1.0.6 stuff or should
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ex Lau wrote:
> Have you solve all the license issue with jboss? Will it being able to
> put it on offical source list? and where :)
> I couldn't find it ... And what will be jre that build on?
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> > jython for an example.
>
> I think changing the upstream build system is a bad idea, see e.g.
> #162426. You need to check each new upstream version for changes and
> sometimes don't notice
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w do you want to
> use alternatives?
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> too...
A. Kaffe has a JIT compiler.
B. It doesn't matter what proprietary software provides. This is Debian.
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s debian, it's all about writing, using and promoting free
> >software, right? I'm not a debian developer, but that was my impression as an
> >innocent bystander.
>
> It's also about 'our users' and from that POV, we should react to the
> situation, that there are unfree java packages...
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rks,
> and not an abstract idea of what is provided. For example, a package which
> works with any java2 runtime, but also works with the interfaces provided by
> kaffe, uses "java2-runtime | kaffe", etc.
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> upload'...).
Kaffe is actually mostly compatible with the JAVA_HOME "standard" now
that I use symlinks for Debian compatibility. It might be worth making
the JAVA_HOME structure part of Debian policy. GCJ and friends could
create some simulation of it by sym
hould we file? Should
> > poilcy say that free compilers must be used if they can?
>
> I'd say yes, but as a free java environment developer, I'm biased ;) Though I
> don't think it should be a severe bug preventing a package from entering
> testing.
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> so almost all other Java packages in main won't move there either. Maybe
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urce packages to allow them to be handled
> separately from jikes itself.
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e are all C related. I'll try to fix these
> tomorrow... The one for S390 seems to be package related -
> the rt.jar gets deleted before it gets installed?? hmm??
>
> - Adam
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ative system has put gij as /usr/bin/java. App runs on
> kaffe and sunVM. App calls /usr/bin/java (or /usr/lib/jre/bin/java).
> Crash...
Tell me again how findjava fixes that problem?
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indjavarc(5) and a test script
> > dh_java (with inline manpage)
>
> I can include these in the java-common package but I will not replace
> the Java Policy. These scripts need to prove their usability first
> before they can be made mandatory.
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>
> for java in /usr/bin/kaffe /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4/bin/java ... ; do
>if [ -x $java ] ; then
> JAVACMD="$java"
> break
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> this mail was for release 1.1.4.
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