We must come to terms with the fact that a Debian Java policy cannot be built with proprietary VMs in mind. There is no "make it work" when it comes to proprietary software and Debian.
>From the Social Contract: "We will support our users who develop and run non-free software on Debian, but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software." Let's try to keep the discussion in that framework. On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:44, Jan Schulz wrote: > >I think we have a different perception of communities that free java > >caters to: for you, it's mostly about making life easier for users of > >java applications. > > Yes. IMO debian policy should go with this approach. [SNIP] > >I'm not quite sure what is debian's target audience. > > Seeing that debian is famous about 'that it works', I would say, that > we should have a policy, which: > > * makes all our packages working with every JVM, which will run it: > . free ones > . unfree ones by a well defined API and a installer script > * make all alternatives of java/javac working in the same way [1] [SNIP] > >No thanks, I prefer to root out the cause. ;) > > If you can. I'm more the 'make it work' guy... [SNIP] > >Yeah, but I don't really care about sun's java packages ;) If they > >want to package their java for debian, fine. If they don't, I don't > >understand why you're all so keen on doing it, instead of trying to > >make the free alternatives better. > > Im of the 'whatever works best' group :) At least when I can't help > myself to somthing better. [SNIP] > >I mean, this is debian, it's all about writing, using and promoting free > >software, right? I'm not a debian developer, but that was my impression as an > >innocent bystander. > > It's also about 'our users' and from that POV, we should react to the > situation, that there are unfree java packages... -- _____________________________________________________________________ Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
