RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2002-01-11 Thread GOMEZ Henri
364F 80E6 >-Original Message- >From: GOMEZ Henri >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:45 AM >To: debian-java@lists.debian.org >Subject: RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation > > >>Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> >>> Debian do

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2002-01-11 Thread GOMEZ Henri
904A 364F 80E6 >-Original Message- >From: GOMEZ Henri >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:45 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation > > >>Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> >>> Debian do

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-12-03 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > >> Debian doesn't use RPM as part of the package management >> infrastructure, and any limitations of RPM is therefore irrelevant to >> how Debian should handle javadoc, and (in general) Debian policy. >> >> So, again: why should Debian policy care about RPM systems? > >

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-12-03 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > >> Debian doesn't use RPM as part of the package management >> infrastructure, and any limitations of RPM is therefore irrelevant to >> how Debian should handle javadoc, and (in general) Debian policy. >> >> So, again: why should Debian policy care about RPM systems? > >

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-12-02 Thread Per Bothner
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Debian doesn't use RPM as part of the package management infrastructure, and any limitations of RPM is therefore irrelevant to how Debian should handle javadoc, and (in general) Debian policy. So, again: why should Debian policy care about RPM systems? Only in the context of

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-12-02 Thread Per Bothner
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Debian doesn't use RPM as part of the package management > infrastructure, and any limitations of RPM is therefore irrelevant to > how Debian should handle javadoc, and (in general) Debian policy. > > So, again: why should Debian policy care about RPM systems? Only in

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-12-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* GOMEZ Henri | >Why should Debian policy care about rpm systems? | | /usr/share/javadoc , at least on rpm systems No need to shout, I am able to read. Also, you didn't answer the question. | Who speak about debian ? This is a list which is called debian-java@lists.debian.org, which mea

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-12-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* GOMEZ Henri | >Why should Debian policy care about rpm systems? | | /usr/share/javadoc , at least on rpm systems No need to shout, I am able to read. Also, you didn't answer the question. | Who speak about debian ? This is a list which is called [EMAIL PROTECTED], which means that it

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-30 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Henri" == GOMEZ Henri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Henri> Who speak about debian ? Henri, You're posting to a Debian mailing list in case you hadn't noticed. I'm a little distributed by a number of posters tendency to forget this. -- Stephen "And what do we burn apart from witches?".

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-30 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Henri" == GOMEZ Henri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Henri> Who speak about debian ? Henri, You're posting to a Debian mailing list in case you hadn't noticed. I'm a little distributed by a number of posters tendency to forget this. -- Stephen "And what do we burn apart from witches?"

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-30 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>| > - directories names in /usr/share/doc use version number >(on rpm systems, i >| > don't know for Debian), so it is yet another problem >| >| I had forgotten that feature of rpm. Maybe that's a reason to use >| /usr/share/javadoc , at least on rpm systems. > >Why should Debian policy care a

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Andrew Pimlott) | > - directories names in /usr/share/doc use version number (on rpm systems, i | > don't know for Debian), so it is yet another problem | | I had forgotten that feature of rpm. Maybe that's a reason to use | /usr/share/javadoc , at least on rpm systems. Why should Debian p

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-30 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>| > - directories names in /usr/share/doc use version number >(on rpm systems, i >| > don't know for Debian), so it is yet another problem >| >| I had forgotten that feature of rpm. Maybe that's a reason to use >| /usr/share/javadoc , at least on rpm systems. > >Why should Debian policy care

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Andrew Pimlott) | > - directories names in /usr/share/doc use version number (on rpm systems, i | > don't know for Debian), so it is yet another problem | | I had forgotten that feature of rpm. Maybe that's a reason to use | /usr/share/javadoc , at least on rpm systems. Why should Debian

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-29 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 07:14:50PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: >> Initial proposition had two points: >> 1) always split javadoc-generated documentation in another package >> 2) standardize javadoc location to cross-link generated documentation >> There have been opposition againt 1), so lets'

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-28 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 07:14:50PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: >> Initial proposition had two points: >> 1) always split javadoc-generated documentation in another package >> 2) standardize javadoc location to cross-link generated documentation >> There have been opposition againt 1), so lets'

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-28 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 07:14:50PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Initial proposition had two points: > 1) always split javadoc-generated documentation in another package > 2) standardize javadoc location to cross-link generated documentation > There have been opposition againt 1), so lets' drop

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-28 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 07:14:50PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Initial proposition had two points: > 1) always split javadoc-generated documentation in another package > 2) standardize javadoc location to cross-link generated documentation > There have been opposition againt 1), so lets' drop

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-27 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Robert Bihlmeyer : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pimlott) writes: > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: > > > > I didn't realize there was consensus, [...] > > Me neither. For the reco

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-27 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Robert Bihlmeyer : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pimlott) writes: > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: > > > > I didn't realize there was consensus, [...] > > Me neither. For the rec

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-27 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Max" == Max Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Max> Why can't package X-doc put the documentation under Max> /usr/share/doc/X instead of /usr/share/doc/X-doc? There was a proposal in debian-devel from Anthony Towns which completely addresses your issues. See <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-27 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Max" == Max Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Max> Why can't package X-doc put the documentation under Max> /usr/share/doc/X instead of /usr/share/doc/X-doc? There was a proposal in debian-devel from Anthony Towns which completely addresses your issues. See <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-27 Thread Max Kellermann
On 2001/11/26 18:55 > I agree that if there is a package with so much documentation that > installing it all might take up too much space. In that case, > separate -doc and -javadoc packages would be ok. But Debian tends > to discourage "frivilous" package splitting, so this should only be > done

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-27 Thread Max Kellermann
On 2001/11/26 18:55 > I agree that if there is a package with so much documentation that > installing it all might take up too much space. In that case, > separate -doc and -javadoc packages would be ok. But Debian tends > to discourage "frivilous" package splitting, so this should only be > don

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pimlott) writes: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: > > I didn't realize there was consensus, [...] Me neither. For the record, I'm also dissenting with Guillaume's "co

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pimlott) writes: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: > > I didn't realize there was consensus, [...] Me neither. For the record, I'm also dissenting with Guillaume's "c

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait GOMEZ Henri : > >- should we contact FHS about this new directory (/usr/share/javadoc) ? > > Yes Even if we switch to using standard /usr/share/doc instead, maybe we could summarise relevant part of our policies to FHS anyway (usr/share/java, for instance). Unless some Debian folks

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait GOMEZ Henri : > >- should we contact FHS about this new directory (/usr/share/javadoc) ? > > Yes Even if we switch to using standard /usr/share/doc instead, maybe we could summarise relevant part of our policies to FHS anyway (usr/share/java, for instance). Unless some Debian folks

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:39:38PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait Andrew Pimlott : > > What exactly do you mean by "standard documentation"? I assume you > > mean "non-developer documentation". In this case, you are > > presenting a false division, because "developer documentation

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Andrew Pimlott : > On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: > > I didn't realize there was consensus, though that may be because > I've been skimming lots of back mail. I don't think this pr

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:39:38PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait Andrew Pimlott : > > What exactly do you mean by "standard documentation"? I assume you > > mean "non-developer documentation". In this case, you are > > presenting a false division, because "developer documentatio

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Andrew Pimlott : > On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: > > I didn't realize there was consensus, though that may be because > I've been skimming lots of back mail. I don't think this p

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-25 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:48:43AM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > But if we want to distinguish between doc and javadoc on the filesystem > level I think it is good to separate it on the package level too. Why? For example, glibc-doc contains both man and info files. The only common reason for di

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-25 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: I didn't realize there was consensus, though that may be because I've been skimming lots of back mail. I don't think this proposal has much merit. > - have standar

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-25 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:48:43AM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > But if we want to distinguish between doc and javadoc on the filesystem > level I think it is good to separate it on the package level too. Why? For example, glibc-doc contains both man and info files. The only common reason for d

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-25 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: I didn't realize there was consensus, though that may be because I've been skimming lots of back mail. I don't think this proposal has much merit. > - have standa

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-25 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 10:33:50PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote: > Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > - which name to use for javadoc package ? > > debian use -doc for their standard documentation package, so -javadoc would > > be consistent > > jpackage use -manual, so -javadoc would be

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-25 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 10:33:50PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote: > Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > - which name to use for javadoc package ? > > debian use -doc for their standard documentation package, so -javadoc would > > be consistent > > jpackage use -manual, so -javadoc would b

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-24 Thread Bill Wohler
Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - which name to use for javadoc package ? > debian use -doc for their standard documentation package, so -javadoc would > be consistent > jpackage use -manual, so -javadoc would be less consistent (unless we switch > to -doc also, of course) -doc

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-23 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>- should we contact FHS about this new directory (/usr/share/javadoc) ? Yes >- is cross-linking of javadoc an interesting/achievable feature ? >When building foo package, depending of bar package, add -linkoffline >/usr/share/javadoc/bar option to javadoc would provide >cross-linked api >docu

[summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-23 Thread Guillaume Rousse
According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: - have standard documentation and javadoc documentation in differents packages - install javadoc documentation in /usr/share/javadoc/ Points which are still to decide: - which name to use for javadoc package ? debian use -doc for the

RE: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-23 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>- should we contact FHS about this new directory (/usr/share/javadoc) ? Yes >- is cross-linking of javadoc an interesting/achievable feature ? >When building foo package, depending of bar package, add -linkoffline >/usr/share/javadoc/bar option to javadoc would provide >cross-linked api >doc

[summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-23 Thread Guillaume Rousse
According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: - have standard documentation and javadoc documentation in differents packages - install javadoc documentation in /usr/share/javadoc/ Points which are still to decide: - which name to use for javadoc package ? debian use -doc for th