Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well this is not a simple HelloWorld program, it is a servlet. And > the classes is in servlet2.2.jar right now. I'm sorry but I don't see your point. I'm not particularly concerned about simple HelloWorld programs. -- --Per Bothner [EMAIL PR

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you want other jars to be considered "standard", put them in > $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/ext/. This is a platform-independent equivalent > of what you're proposing. I'm proposing that the policy is that jars should be installed in $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/ext/, ex

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 04:21:09PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote: > Jeff Turner wrote: > > >I can write a Hello World program just fine with a completely blank > >classpath [1]. In fact, I can write any program that uses java.* and > >javax.* with nothing in the classpath except the package root. > >

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
Jeff Turner wrote: I can write a Hello World program just fine with a completely blank classpath [1]. In fact, I can write any program that uses java.* and javax.* with nothing in the classpath except the package root. $ javac foo.java foo.java:1: cannot resolve symbol symbol : class Servlet loca

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Jeff Turner
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:16:58PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote: > jeff wrote: > > >Why not just put the jars in /usr/share/java, keep the system classpath > >completely clean, and let the startup scripts for individual apps choose > >which > >to include? > > > Because you're causing a big hassle for

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:33:54PM +0200, Egon Willighagen wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2001 13:00, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:32:51AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > > Ok. Lets standardize on the libfoo[version]-java names. > > I really like to comment that i do not think w

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
jeff wrote: Why not just put the jars in /usr/share/java, keep the system classpath completely clean, and let the startup scripts for individual apps choose which to include? Because you're causing a big hassle for anybody writing a Java program, even "hello world". It is one thing to ask packager

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
Andrew Pimlott wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:55:04PM +1000, jeff wrote: But I'll spare you that ranting; let's just say I think it's a horrifically bad idea to have a free-for-all in one's classpath. I tend to agree, though I should point out that the opposite view has support. For example, Pe

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
Jeff Turner wrote: >I can write a Hello World program just fine with a completely blank >classpath [1]. In fact, I can write any program that uses java.* and >javax.* with nothing in the classpath except the package root. > $ javac foo.java foo.java:1: cannot resolve symbol symbol : class Servle

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Jeff Turner
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:16:58PM -0700, Per Bothner wrote: > jeff wrote: > > >Why not just put the jars in /usr/share/java, keep the system classpath > >completely clean, and let the startup scripts for individual apps choose > >which > >to include? > > > Because you're causing a big hassle fo

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:33:54PM +0200, Egon Willighagen wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2001 13:00, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:32:51AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > > Ok. Lets standardize on the libfoo[version]-java names. > > I really like to comment that i do not think

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Sunday 16 September 2001 13:00, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:32:51AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > Ok. Lets standardize on the libfoo[version]-java names. I really like to comment that i do not think we should punish those who complied to the current Java policy, and use lib-f

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
jeff wrote: >Why not just put the jars in /usr/share/java, keep the system classpath >completely clean, and let the startup scripts for individual apps choose which >to include? > Because you're causing a big hassle for anybody writing a Java program, even "hello world". It is one thing to ask p

Re: The evils of /usr/share/java/repository

2001-09-16 Thread Per Bothner
Andrew Pimlott wrote: >On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:55:04PM +1000, jeff wrote: > >>But I'll spare you that ranting; let's just say I think it's a >>horrifically bad idea to have a free-for-all in one's classpath. >> > >I tend to agree, though I should point out that the opposite view >has support.

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Sunday 16 September 2001 13:00, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:32:51AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > Ok. Lets standardize on the libfoo[version]-java names. I really like to comment that i do not think we should punish those who complied to the current Java policy, and use lib-

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:32:51AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > > > Well we have both ways in debian now. Should we allow both but prefer > > one? > > Seeing as we're moving to enforce a single consistent standard, I'm > personally happier if we only allow one. Consistency is good. :) > Looking

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:32:51AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > > > Well we have both ways in debian now. Should we allow both but prefer > > one? > > Seeing as we're moving to enforce a single consistent standard, I'm > personally happier if we only allow one. Consistency is good. :) > Looking

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Ben Burton
> Well we have both ways in debian now. Should we allow both but prefer > one? Seeing as we're moving to enforce a single consistent standard, I'm personally happier if we only allow one. Looking through what the approximate list of all available java packages (see first post to this thread) I f

Re: Large-scale java policy violations

2001-09-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:42:14PM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > > > I suggest that we name the packages libfoo-java or in some > > cases libfoo-version-java if that are necessary. > > > > Is that ok if I change the policy in that way? > > Fine in general with me, although I have a question about ve