Something more positive :)
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/wlg/119
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Seth Arnold wrote:
> * Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 18:23]:
> > Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> > unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> > wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page d
* Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 18:23]:
> Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page devoted to GNU Java
> software!
I think we may n
>> I just wanted to say (or write) that although I generally disagreed with
>> you, I completelly support all you have said. Java and FS is a sad
>> landscape.
> Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU see
On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Vincent Renardias wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
>
> > Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> > unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> > wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page devoted to GNU Java
> software!
If you were yourself a ja
Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page devoted to GNU Java
software!
Regards,
Alex.
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I just wanted to say (or write) that although I generally disagreed with
you, I completelly support all you have said. Java and FS is a sad
landscape.
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Seth Arnold wrote:
> * Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 18:23]:
> > Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> > unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> > wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page
* Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 18:23]:
> Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page devoted to GNU Java
> software!
I think we may
>> I just wanted to say (or write) that although I generally disagreed with
>> you, I completelly support all you have said. Java and FS is a sad
>> landscape.
> Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU se
On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Vincent Renardias wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
>
> > Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> > unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> > wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
> unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
> wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page devoted to GNU Java
> software!
If you were yourself a j
Those who believe Java and free software is a sad landscape are woefully
unaware of reality... If this were the case, why does GNU seem to
wholeheartedly support it? They even have a page devoted to GNU Java
software!
Regards,
Alex.
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I just wanted to say (or write) that although I generally disagreed with
you, I completelly support all you have said. Java and FS is a sad
landscape.
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To: Seth Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-java@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Quitting debian-java
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:55:16 +0100
Seth Arnold wrote:
Netscape is there by virtue of being *the* web browser.
And sun/ibm/
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>Subject: Re: Quitting debian-java
>Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:55:16 +0100
>
>Seth Arnold wrote:
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>>
>>Netscape is there by virtue of being *the* web browser.
>
>And
Seth Arnold wrote:
Don't get too happy with non-free. It almost got cut a few months back,
and I don't expect it to live forever. I don't know how I feel about the
issue, but Debian *is* based on the idea of being completely Free.
Yeah, cut everything. It`s time to change distro.
Anyway, there is
* Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 01:58]:
> > non-free is not part of Debian. realplayer comes only as an installer.
>
> For me it`s :). It`s listed in installer. Mirorred on your sites.
> Packaged in .deb.
Don't get too happy with non-free. It almost got cut a few months back,
and I do
Per Bothner wrote:
> Alan KF LAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Just for everybody's information. kaffe is in fact developed under a
> > contract to Microsoft, please see
> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,20225,00.html
>
> This quite misleading. As far as I know, the Microsoft
Alexander Hvostov wrote:
Artur,
No package should depend directly on Sun's (or any other) Java
implementation. Rather, they should depend on java-virtual-machine or
java-compiler.
Regards,
Alex.
Yes. But i will rather see java2-vm and maybe java2-compiler etc. I
don`t want broke anything that is a
Seth Arnold wrote:
Netscape is there by virtue of being *the* web browser.
And sun/ibm/blackdown java should be there as *the* Java2 implementation!
I would imagine
its days are numbered. (As konqueror, mozilla, and more improve
drastically every day..)
I also would imagine that some day there wil
Artur,
No package should depend directly on Sun's (or any other) Java
implementation. Rather, they should depend on java-virtual-machine or
java-compiler.
Regards,
Alex.
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Seth Arnold wrote:
* Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 01:10]:
Artur, the problem is very simple. I hope I can explain it simply enoug
Debian is about Free Software. Free as in BSD, GPL, LGPL, Artistic,
XFree86, etc. All these licenses satisfy the requirements of the Debian
What about non-fr
* Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 01:10]:
> > Artur, the problem is very simple. I hope I can explain it simply enoug
> > Debian is about Free Software. Free as in BSD, GPL, LGPL, Artistic,
> > XFree86, etc. All these licenses satisfy the requirements of the Debian
>
> What about non-free
Seth Arnold wrote:
* Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010301 10:27]:
Yeah, but with this solution there is no way to include other free java2
apzz and libs in distribution.
Artur, the problem is very simple. I hope I can explain it simply enoug
Debian is about Free Software. Free as in BSD, GPL,
Seth Arnold wrote:
>
> Don't get too happy with non-free. It almost got cut a few months back,
> and I don't expect it to live forever. I don't know how I feel about the
> issue, but Debian *is* based on the idea of being completely Free.
Yeah, cut everything. It`s time to change distro.
>
>>
* Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 01:58]:
> > non-free is not part of Debian. realplayer comes only as an installer.
>
> For me it`s :). It`s listed in installer. Mirorred on your sites.
> Packaged in .deb.
Don't get too happy with non-free. It almost got cut a few months back,
and I d
Per Bothner wrote:
> Alan KF LAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Just for everybody's information. kaffe is in fact developed under a
> > contract to Microsoft, please see
> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,20225,00.html
>
> This quite misleading. As far as I know, the Microsof
Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> Artur,
>
> No package should depend directly on Sun's (or any other) Java
> implementation. Rather, they should depend on java-virtual-machine or
> java-compiler.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex.
Yes. But i will rather see java2-vm and maybe java2-compiler etc. I
don`t want
Seth Arnold wrote:
>
> Netscape is there by virtue of being *the* web browser.
And sun/ibm/blackdown java should be there as *the* Java2 implementation!
> I would imagine
> its days are numbered. (As konqueror, mozilla, and more improve
> drastically every day..)
I also would imagine that so
Artur,
No package should depend directly on Sun's (or any other) Java
implementation. Rather, they should depend on java-virtual-machine or
java-compiler.
Regards,
Alex.
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Seth Arnold wrote:
> * Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 01:10]:
>
>>> Artur, the problem is very simple. I hope I can explain it simply enoug
>>> Debian is about Free Software. Free as in BSD, GPL, LGPL, Artistic,
>>> XFree86, etc. All these licenses satisfy the requirements of the Debia
[Note: This is Cc'd to debian-devel and debian-security because of the
discussion regarding RMS' su diatribe; subscribers to these lists
might find it interesting, scroll down past the Java stuff if you are,
and feel free to ignore this message if you're not. Please don't flame
me. I'm thin-skinned
* Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010302 01:10]:
> > Artur, the problem is very simple. I hope I can explain it simply enoug
> > Debian is about Free Software. Free as in BSD, GPL, LGPL, Artistic,
> > XFree86, etc. All these licenses satisfy the requirements of the Debian
>
> What about non-fre
Seth Arnold wrote:
> * Artur Radosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010301 10:27]:
>
>> Yeah, but with this solution there is no way to include other free java2
>> apzz and libs in distribution.
>
>
> Artur, the problem is very simple. I hope I can explain it simply enoug
> Debian is about Free Software
* Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010301 22:35]:
> That's why you create classes under packages other than `java' or
> `javax'. The Java API proper is in the `java' and `javax' packages, and
> Sun is simply trying to keep Java consistent across implementations by
> using their IP powers to m
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Seth Arnold wrote:
> * Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010301 21:31]:
> > > is their implementation of Java Not Free, the API itself is also Not
> > > Free and cannot be reproduced without licensing from Sun.
> >
> > I suggest getting some lawyers on the task, then.
>
* Alexander Hvostov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010301 21:31]:
> > is their implementation of Java Not Free, the API itself is also Not
> > Free and cannot be reproduced without licensing from Sun.
>
> I suggest getting some lawyers on the task, then.
With what money? :)
> Last time I checked, there wa
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