Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Craig" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> For example, I have 20 machines at a co location I need to go install. >> Right now with Red Hat I can take my laptop, slap a floppy in each >> machine, turn 'em on, 5 minutes later I have 20 fully configured >> machines

control of bandwidth in a subnet

2000-05-18 Thread Helber
Hi all   I did a subnet using ip masquerade in a computer with two ne2000 cards to link some computers to the internet, and it is working fine.Is it possible to limit the bandwidth of a host in this subnet? Is there a way that the computer that works as a gateway control "how"  the hosts in

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:29:03PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. because it's a violation of pine's license to distribute modified binaries. pine is non-free. debian distributes a pine-src package (in non-free) which contains the pine sou

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Sanjeev \"Ghane\" Gupta
Jeremy, Because Univ of Washington doesn't allow modified tarballs to be distributed, and you have to modify the tarball's paths to be Debian compliant. So download the pine-src.deb , the pine-src-diffs.deb , and complile. Do not upload or share the resulting files. Regards - Original Mes

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Well it's funny you brought that up because I was considering just making one huge rpm of debian and then using kickstart. Kickstart is a part of Red Hat's install, Anaconda, not really an rpm but I get your point. -jeremy > If kickstart is a red hat package, you can install it on debian using

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian has a very strict rule base on the packages it includes but every distro I have even installed always included pine and I was just wondering the reason behind not doing that with Debian. -jeremy > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Hmm, I don't agree here. Kickstart is a way of automating the tasks already involved with a manual install. It does what it's supposed to do quite well and actually with the flexibility available, I rarely encounter a situation that requires more "custom" things. Hacks can be included in kickst

Re: Transfer data between two comps without network

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
At 12:48 PM 5/18/00 +0200, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: >That was the original scheme, but bosses hmmm, after some consultations >said that we should transfer data on cd-roms with armed guardian. >so now we've got problems, and deadlines haven't changed >although we had no idea of those security issues

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
If kickstart is a red hat package, you can install it on debian using alien. Then you can use red hat's kickstart to install debian. :) At 01:55 PM 5/18/00 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: >Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total >hacks, which may work but really are trick

Re: where to find web browser statistics information?

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
At 09:59 AM 5/19/00 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: >i don't know what your laws are like in russia, but here in australia >you can get hit with a discrimination lawsuit(*) if you don't support Yeah, I've heard some scary things out of Australia lately. It's like they're moving toward socialism/commu

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Pedro Guerreiro
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:54:54PM -0400, Mike Bilow wrote: > Are you aware of this? > > http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ Another tool to do this is Replicator. Sorry, but I don't a link nearby. Search for it in google. > On 2000-05-18 at 13:55 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > > It

Re: Transfer data between two comps without network

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
At 04:36 PM 5/18/00 +0500, Vlad Harchev wrote: > I think you can install NIC into machine with data (call it machine A), place >another machine with large hdd with NIC in it near the source machine A (call >it machine B), connect them using crosswired UTP, download data to machine B, A laptop woul

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
At 09:55 PM 5/17/00 -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > copy everything from the master drive to the copy, then run the > appropriate Lilo command to make that copy bootable. You can then > mount it in another machine and it's ready to go. You have to filter > some things out when you copy. See bel

Re: where to find web browser statistics information?

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 04:11:42PM +0500, Vlad Harchev wrote: > I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially > lynx). Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with > stats that are reachable from that search results page are either old > or meaningless or are f

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > A lot of what makes Debian cool is appreciated only after some time > with it. also, a lot of what debian does is only appreciated after you've had the misfortune of working with some other distros for a while...then you really ap

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:55:37PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like > total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I > was really looking for something within debian that's built to do > "kickstart" type installations

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Mike Bilow
Agreed that this seems technically sound, but it would be really nice to have this Real Soon Now. I think it might be reasonably possible to backport this from Woody into Potato fairly soon after the release of Potato. The fact is that an automatic installation system will be really hard to test

Re: ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:56:40PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 11:03:19AM +, Russell Coker wrote: > > I doubt that Qmail is any more secure than Postfix. I doubt that it is any > > faster. > > Well, postfix has had security bugs, qmail hasn't. actually, the o

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Adam Di Carlo
I would agree most of the proposed solutions are quick hacks. The fact is, we won't be natively supporting bulk installation until Woody. And even that is in question. As I understand it, the proposed Woody install system is debconf based; moreover, debconf can have different backends for rece

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Gerard MacNeil
> Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > I wouldn't call it nons

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Mike Bilow
Are you aware of this? http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ -- Mike On 2000-05-18 at 13:55 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > It seems a lot of Debian users are developers and in this case I'm sure > Debian is perfect, but Red Hat's kickstart allows me to see my wife at > night (not real

Re: ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers

2000-05-18 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:57:00PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote: > Actually, I'd really want to know how to configure Postfix to > add a header for each blocking service checked: > > X-Maybe-Spam-RBL: [the text from the TXT record here] > Please tell me how to do it. You can't.

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Stephen A. Witt
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. > > I wouldn't call it nonsens

Re: ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers

2000-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Tommi Virtanen wrote: > Actually, I'd really want to know how to configure Postfix to > add a header for each blocking service checked: > > X-Maybe-Spam-RBL: [the text from the TXT record here] > X-Maybe-Spam-ORBS: [the text from the TXT record here] > X-Maybe-Spam-DUL: [the text from

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I was really looking for something within debian that's built to do "kickstart" type installations. Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility bet

Re: Re[2]: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: > Purely anecdotal, but Earthlink uses dpkg and deb as their internal format > for binary distribution for servers. Not much in the way of Debian machines, > just the packaging format. :) Apple's DarwinOS also uses the dpkg tools. (So maybe Apple OS X

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 02:16:08PM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote: > | deb packages are a lot harder to create for the novice users. There is > | not much documentation to help in this area either. > > There is perhaps not much documentation but : > # ls /usr/man/man1/dh*|wc -l > 30 You people

Re[2]: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Steve Lamb
Thursday, May 18, 2000, 5:16:08 AM, Michel wrote: > .deb is already a standard package system in the industry. And again it > would be nice to have statistics to confirm this purely subjective > statement :) Purely anecdotal, but Earthlink uses dpkg and deb as their internal format for binary

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Michel Verdier
Steve Morocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : | I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a lot harder to | create for the novice users. There is not much documentation to help in | this area either. Also, when updates are released .debs are usually the | last to be released (because

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely more robust.

RE: Transfer data between two comps without network

2000-05-18 Thread wsuetholz
You could add a seperate network link between the two endpoints... With that kind of data requirements Gig Ethernet might be a good choice. You could also use SSL for the network transport in order to encrypt the data to make it more secure. DVD-RAM is nicer than ZIP as far as storage space goes

ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers

2000-05-18 Thread Tommi Virtanen
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 11:03:19AM +, Russell Coker wrote: > Also Qmail is lacking in functionality when compared to Postfix, Sendmail, or > probably any other Unix mail server. Qmail is fast and reliable, it's good > for installing for one of those clients who is expected to stuff up Postfix

Re: where to find web browser statistics information?

2000-05-18 Thread Vlad Harchev
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Torsten Krueger wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Vlad Harchev wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially > > lynx). > > Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with stats that are > > reachable from

Re: Transfer data between two comps without network

2000-05-18 Thread Vlad Harchev
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: > > > Assuming you are worried by people with promiscuous ethernet cards, > > packet-sniffing. Put in a second NIC, run a crossover UTP? I assume the > .. encrypting would solve that problem. or private network between two > comps. > And - if I coul

Re: Transfer data between two comps without network

2000-05-18 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> Assuming you are worried by people with promiscuous ethernet cards, > packet-sniffing. Put in a second NIC, run a crossover UTP? I assume the .. encrypting would solve that problem. or private network between two comps. And - if I could connect those two comps by some network daily data trans

Re: where to find web browser statistics information?

2000-05-18 Thread Torsten Krueger
Hi, On Thu, 18 May 2000, Vlad Harchev wrote: > Hi! > > I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially lynx). > Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with stats that are > reachable from that search results page are either old or meaningless or are > for

Re: Transfer data between two comps without network

2000-05-18 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> I've used schemes such as piping data across an SSH process to achieve > this without having to encrypt the files on disk. In fact, that's how our That was the original scheme, but bosses hmmm, after some consultations said that we should transfer data on cd-roms with armed guardian. so now we'

where to find web browser statistics information?

2000-05-18 Thread Vlad Harchev
Hi! I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially lynx). Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with stats that are reachable from that search results page are either old or meaningless or are for very specific sites (like universities). Is there any integ

Re: Logging a POP3 session

2000-05-18 Thread Gerard MacNeil
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Chris Wagner wrote: > CuCiPOP tells you how many messages were downloaded by default. :) With Qpopper, you need to use the '-s' command line switch to log statistics at the daemon.notice level. --- Ge

Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Bulent Murtezaoglu
[...] KMH> The best way to do that that I've found so far is to set up KMH> a box with two removable hard drive racks, install and KMH> _configure_ everything on one drive, then use `cfdisk', KMH> `mkswap', and `mke2fs' to partition and format the second KMH> drive. [...] I

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Steve" == Steve Morocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a Steve> lot harder to create for the novice users. There is not Steve> much documentation to help in this area either. Also, when Steve> updates are released

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Chris" == Chris Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> For mass installs, just make a standard issue CD, boot from that CD, and Chris> copy over the OS. Or you could even make a disk image and dd it onto the Chris> hard drive. That assumes you have the same hard drive in