package is not operational due to a libpam
upgrade. Please refer to the discussion that arose on debian-policy
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st handled in a separate source package. This requires it to be
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ly replaced so there should be no problems hosting two packages
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[-o options,...] device mountpoint
> This is a builtin command. /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab are NOT supported.
If you're using busybox then try regenerating the initrd image with
BUSYBOX=no.
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> too many things to be sure (my primary doubt was with flogiston).
Try searching for phlogiston instead.
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> AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas wrote:
>
>> Herbert Xu: "Please discuss this on debian-devel before filing further
>> bugs."
>
> IMHO, there's no need to discuss this to death -- .desktop files make
> sense, t
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ainst kernel about it.
> Much of this patch is scheduled to be included in 2.4.24, so the work
> required
If it is, then there may be nothing to merge at all.
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ackages for 2.4.23 disappeared without a trace. And
all uploads of my existing packages are just sitting in the queue
indefinitely. The changes files seem to have been moved/removed,
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be that the mdadm code is unreliable, inefficient, or buggy).
The reason is that we need hotplug support or something similar
before RAID autodetection will make sense.
If you don't have the underlying devices there RAID autodetection
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`fu' really has no
meaning in the original meaning of the word `kung-fu', which is
simply time spent doing things.
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ve a dictionary that gives the historical derivation?
I used
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> Should I report the bug through the BTS ? Against which package ?
I have uploaded 0.1.32woody.5 previously but it was rejected by the
Stable Release Manager.
You can get it from
http://master.debian.org/~herbert/woody/
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it to load by removing the initrd from lilo.
Of course it won't boot, but it will hopefully give you a direction
as to where to look.
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The complications in recreating those directories simply isn't worth it.
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But I have not lost all faith in the glibc maintainers yet.
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m, then I suggest that we start by banning Steve Langasek from
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Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record
Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is
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/fstab file to work around this.
Make sure your mkinitrd.conf has ROOT set to nothing and it will work.
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On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:05:05AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
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> > Make sure your mkinitrd.conf has ROOT set to nothing and it will work.
>
> So anotherwords I should file a bug against pbuilder?
Yes.
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require abbreviations to not extend across lines, i.e.,
U. S. A. rather than U.
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le template and generate the real one at build time.
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;t debate whether this is true in general, bug it is certainly
unnecessary in the case of pump. I have specifically added code to
deal with the inability to write to /var/run by making pump fall back
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he Unix-domain socket does not exist pump will use TCP
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absent?
Pump doesn't write pid files. It uses a Unix-domain socket to
communicate with its previous incarnation, and failing that, a
TCP socket.
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> 2.5 apparently has a replacement for initrd which may require some changes.
initramfs is currently 100% backwards compatible. So no changes
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lem. Only the binutils from sarge/sid
generates map files that are not understood. Besides, these errors
are only warnings, the generated modules.dep still works.
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he dependencies describe relationships between modules, not between
modules and a given kernel. The check against System.map is just an
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ing modules, or it is possible
to have it installed simultaneously with an old kernel image when the
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Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:37:55PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about people like VMWare, i.e., people who distribute binary
>> only modules.
> Call *me* a cretin, but wouldn't that be non-free?
>
fig files.
> why are they needed?
For module builders.
> and while you're at it, how about answering the other questions that you
> ignored in my last message?
Which were?
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256 > /proc/sys/kernel/real-root-dev
umount -n /proc
umount -n /devfs
mount -nrt ext2 /dev/legolas/root0 /mnt
cd /mnt
pivot_root . initrd
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> They still suck, and they're still non-free.
Who said that we were going to distribute them?
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:00:01PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:49:48PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> > Who said that we were going to distribute them?
>
> If we don't distribute them, why in hell are we breaking mirrors by
> supporting them? So
tly missing several packages, as is
> mirror.aarnet.edu.au. Breaks a dist-upgrade (out-of-sync Packages, and
> actual packages).
Prove that it is caused by the kernel images and I'll get rid of them.
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Do you actually have any hard facts regarding mirrors broken by kernel
images or do you just like spreading FUD?
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> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:20:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> >
> > FUD. Show me what's actually broken.
>
> Mirrors. Slow. Out-of-sync.
It's still FUD until you produce the evidence that i
u said two things here:
1. ... you're helping break stuff for everyone
2. ONE HUNDRED AND TEN MEGABYTES PER KERNEL RELEASE DOES NOT HELP MIRRORS WHICH
HAVE ...
Somehow I don't see how 2 has got anything to do with 1.
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And please submit the bug against
the right package, i.e., work out who's constructing what before you go off
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see that it uses cp -l so it won't take up much more
space than one kernel source would.
Just change the rules to not call make-kpkg build and make-kpkg kernel-image
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> >
> > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, and the
> > other ones are built with their respective config files.
>
>
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:10:48PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:01:39PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > So that they can compile them? If you don't understand why we should do
> > that, then there's no point in us two arguing about it.
>
>
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:14:40PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > >
> > > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, a
he kernel-source
+ the config file directly which either means a lot of work for the
maintainer to track them down or even worse, you end up with module packages
that don't work with the kernels.
I'm happy to answer questions about how the kernel-headers can be used to
make this process e
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:14:18PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:06:21AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > Bullshit. Why don't you do a diff instead of talking about something that
> > you have no idea about?
>
> Do you deny that the file named aut
ant to supply the builder with enough information
assuming that they're willing to compile it for your specifications.
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Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules
>> in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile
>&
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:31:06AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build
> > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the
>
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b/libdb.so.3)
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++2.10-dev_1%3a2.95.4-0.010407_i386.deb
> (--unpack):
> subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
The breakage shows up here.
Looks like we need a predependency in libdb2 on the new libc6.
-
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> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:31:46AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> >
> > Because someone asked why the kernel-headers necessary. Their
> > presence allows both our module maintainers and other maintainers
> >
kage, perhaps sysvinit.
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Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
>> That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
>> using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
>> However, I just had a look, and sysc
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>
> Does "this functionality" mean disabling ECN or sysctl.conf?
The former.
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kernel-headers exist!
Huh? There is still a kernel-headers package for the glibc maintainer to
use. In fact, it's exactly the same as before.
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> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> > That is the raison d'etre for kernel-headers. However, the new per-image
> > kernel-headers exist solely for the benefit of module builders.
>
> Then you br
Aaron Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've said before that over 2000 kernel configuration options exist and
Most of which can be decided at runtime once you start using initrd.
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If your module needs stuff outside kernel-headers, either it's doing
something wrong, or there's stuff in the kernel that needs to be moved
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will make the most sensible decisions for them.
[1] The point of this exercise is not to make it easier for people who don't
know how to compile kernels to be able to use optimised kernels. It is
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> > [...]
>
> i think you've done a good job of summarising the issues.
I agree as well.
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le to determine the best kernel
>for your machine."
There is a file called /proc/cpuinfo you know.
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nstalled, which is not the case for new package source uploads.
Well, kernels/modules have traditionally required this kind of access.
There's no way around it I'm afraid.
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rnel is only after
> you have downloaded it?
You're missing the point. These kernels are only available after
installation. They're not used on boot floppies.
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ier, this has the unfortunate consequence of requiring a global udpate
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the right modules constructs the optimal kernel. This could be
Guess what, that's how the current 2.4 kernel images are constructed.
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to compile his own
kernel, he would face the problem of having to recompile the modules
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stion is to simply load the isa-pnp.o module
> in the isapnptools init script. Any problems with that approach?
This is already handled by modutils. Look in
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ll script which uses some feature.
I can understand how frustrating it is to have your scripts broken by
this. But the fact remains that it's the scripts that are broken, not the
shell.
Are your functions supposed to be called by other scripts in general? If
so, then it's particularly important to handle the case of an unset IFS.
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I will probably change it back in the next release due to all the autoconf
breakage. However, it still remains that these scripts need to be fixed
since their caller can also unset IFS.
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ne who doesn't get it. If you are writing shell functions
and you need to save the IFS, then you need to save it properly.
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ad one of your messages.
In any case, your script is still broken. I'm only working around this
because a related autoconf breakage (#95447) is very widespread.
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at only the recent ash
> behaves differently.
So what? Broken code is broken code.
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imed.
I guess this is what they call serendipity.
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Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:09:46PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> There are only two reasons that a change goes into ash. It's either for
>> standard-compliance or optimisation.
> If you wish to make a version of ash which is m
rd image so the present 2.4
images are sufficient. On other architectures, the challenge will be
to find a boot loader that is capable of loading an initrd image, possibly
remotely.
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ng kernel headers all together or it will become useless with 2.4.
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age name should be pretty obvious...
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headers should not be used at all unless you're
compile glibc, or modules. Anything else will break.
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ecent kernel-headers packages provide the
>> major.minor if the kernel version.
> Only kernel-headers-2.2.19-sparc (in i386/unstable) does this. Is that
kernel-headers-2.4.* does this on i386 as well. I'll add it for the next
kernel-headers-2.2 release on alpha/i386.
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> On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 09:44:07PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> The thing is, kernel-headers should not be used at all unless you're
>> compile glibc, or modules. Anything else will break.
> False. That is the very thing I wa
not sure it is possible
> though.
I'm more confident about it, since if they don't do this, their programs
won't compile at all with 2.4. I certainly won't be keeping
kernel-headers-2.2 around any longer than necessary.
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Yes, because otherwise your code probably won't compile.
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On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 10:43:25AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 03:29:58PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > Yes, because otherwise your code probably won't compile.
>
> ... when the kernel interface changed. Now tell me what is better -
Nope, they
yourself as new
kernel releases come out.
I wouldn't expect the Debian maintainer to have to go through this
though, as this is something that must be dealt with in the upstream
util-linux package.
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