Re: overriding udev rules

2013-09-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Uoti Urpala writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >>Kay Sievers writes: >> > Hmm, why would upgrades break? >> >> > The old file would still be there, rename the devices (if you keep the >> > patch to swap names, which upstream does not support any more), and take >> > precedence over tht new names; the

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-12 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josh Triplett writes: > What would it take to make this change? Changing the LSB. Or you need to keep the sendmail interface. Which is what mail-transport-agent provides. > Have I missed any important points? You forgot to explain the upside, reason, why, gain, whatever. > Would any other

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Chow Loong Jin writes: > On 16/11/2011 22:43, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: >>> Most netbooks and small laptops (such as Thinkpads) do not. >> My thinkpad has it... > > Mine doesn't. The smaller Thinkpads (less than 14"?) don't. This discussion is getting more and more weird, but for the sake of conti

Re: [Long] UEFI support

2012-01-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tanguy Ortolo writes: > Paul Wise, 2012-01-09 00:44+0100: >> Sounds like he was asking you to name these new 32-bit only x86 >> systems that are still being produced and sold. > > That is right. In fact, I do not doubt there are some 32 bits only > processors sold today, but I am not sure that the

Re: Default display manager should not be gdm3

2012-02-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > This feature was in squeeze and so far we didn’t reinstate it in 3.x on > upstream request. This is because they complained people used this > feature to shoot themselves in the foot and then accused gdm of being > broken. So they choose to break gdm and ignore all th

Reply-To munging (was: Re: "Do not CC me")

2012-11-26 Thread Bjørn Mork
Thomas Goirand writes: > The solution to this is very simple. Have the > mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header > on each messages. > > I've done this on few of the lists I manage, and since > then, nobody sends double-messages. > > But, probably, mailman is too stupid to have such > kind

Re: Really, about udev, not init systems

2012-11-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Cyril Brulebois writes: > Thomas Goirand (28/11/2012): >> That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr. > > May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start. Yes, the Debian package is OK and I assume it will continue to be. But I believe Thomas was referrin

Re: Really, about udev, not init systems

2012-11-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tollef Fog Heen writes: > ]] Bjørn Mork > >> "The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for >>systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted, >>otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work >>

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment (was Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems)

2012-12-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ian Jackson writes: > Barry Warsaw writes ("Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment > (was Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems)"): >> FTR: http://www.canonical.com/contributors > > That allows Canonical to make proprietary forks of the code (eg, to > engage in the dual licensing

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment

2012-12-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russ Allbery writes: > Bjørn Mork writes: > >> IANAL, but I believe you are wrong there. You give them much wider >> rights than this by assigning the copyright to the FSF. The copyright >> owner is free to relicense the work in any way they want. > > Have yo

Re: removal of the vacation package

2014-01-12 Thread Bjørn Mork
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jan 12, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >> It still seems to have a fair number of loyal users though. I see your > popcon says 1867 have it installed, but only 222 "voted". > >> If we do have such a >> replacement (I just don't know) please mention it in the

Re: removal of the vacation package

2014-01-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ansgar Burchardt writes: > Bjørn Mork writes: >> Is there such a beast with feature parity? vacation has a few nice >> defaults, like ignoring list mails and only sending one message per week >> to each receiver. Having every end user implement similar behaviour in >

Re: removal of the vacation package

2014-01-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ansgar Burchardt writes: > Bjørn Mork writes: > >> Care to provide a pointer to an example? > > RFC 5230, sections 4.2, 4.5, 4.6 and 8. Thanks for the pointer. Are there any implementations of RFC 5230 in Debian? Both "apt-cache search 5230" and "apt-cache s

Re: systemd - getting started?

2014-02-12 Thread Bjørn Mork
"Iain R. Learmonth" writes: > Things I'd like to see are: > > * A systemd primer (like what is a service file?) > * Packaging documentation for systemd (some has been started [1]) > * How to hack together a service (this is something I did quite a lot > for homebrew scripts on servers) > > The

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote: >> Why can you not simply say something like: "Well yes, there seem >> to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold >> of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide decent information >>

Re: systemd - some more considerations

2014-04-03 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tollef Fog Heen writes: > ]] Norbert Preining > >> > systemd needs cgroups, that's pretty well established. Arguably, it >> > should die with a clearer message. >> >> No, NO NOO >> >> *IT*SHOULD*NOT*DIE*!!! It is in PID 1. Please digest that. > > Am I understanding you cor

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit : >> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that >> is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project >> did not finish. See this archives of netconf-de...@lists.a

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 23:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Josselin Mouette writes: >> > Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit : >> >> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that >> >&g

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No!

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek writes: > Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value. I am > happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's > easy to configure for use on new wireless networks. > > I am not happy that network manager bypasses ifconfig to do this;

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Brett Parker writes: > Everything that you can do with ifupdown you can do with network > manager, That's simply not true. You cannot use n-m remotely without having some out-of-band access. For a start. Fix that, and I'll come back with the next issue. You don't seem to have a clue wrt the

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stephan Seitz writes: > The only thing that I miss from ifupdown (and I configured bonds, > bridges and vlans) is a good IPv6 support. I can’t separately activate > or deactivate IPv4 or IPv6 parts of an interface. I have seen several requests for this feature, but I really don't understand why

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > Since it was completely redesigned, almost from scratch, this doesn’t > apply for 0.8. Its system daemon is able to manage connections without > anyone logged on, and with a number of features that makes ifupdown look > like a baby toy. So Network-Manager has finally g

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Martin Wuertele writes: > * Timo Juhani Lindfors [2011-04-15 14:18]: > >> ip rule show | grep -Ev '^(0|32766|32767):|iif lo' \ >> | while read PRIO NATRULE; do >> ip rule del prio ${PRIO%%:*} $( echo $NATRULE | sed 's|all|0/0|' ) >> done > > iface ethX inet static > address x.x.x.x

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Patrick Schoenfeld writes: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 02:01:06PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Josselin Mouette writes: >> >> > Since it was completely redesigned, almost from scratch, this doesn’t >> > apply for 0.8. Its system daemon is able to manage connecti

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
"Josselin Mouette" writes: > Björn Mork wrote: >> Martin Wuertele writes: >>> up ip rule add >>> downip rule del > >> The power of the pre-up/up/down/post-down scripting is tremendous. > > So is that of NM dispatcher scripts. And this is documented where. > What is y

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Fernando Lemos writes: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote: > >> Preparing to replace network-manager 0.8.3.999-1 (using .../network- >> manager_0.8.3.999-1_amd64.deb) ... >> Unpacking replacement network-manager ... >> Setting up network-manager (0.8.3.999-1) ... >> Reloading

Re: this list archive spoils e-mails + strange Enigmail typos

2011-05-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stanisław Findeisen writes: > Well but the quoted text *is* there... (at least in the copy I received > from liszt.debian.org). Both problems (missing text and visible =20) are caused by MIME headers missing from the first part of your message. The quoted text is hidden because there is no empt

Re: How to solve race condition between IPv6 ifup and start of services?

2011-05-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marc Haber writes: > On Sat, 21 May 2011 15:42:51 -0700, Steve Langasek > wrote: >>With an event-based init system such as upstart, you could also set up the >>service not to start until the specified interface is fully configured. > > Issue (1): We don't have event-based init system yet > Issue

Re: Getting good bug reports

2011-05-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Brian May writes: > Some don't even have Internet access. So, how do you propose reportbug should handle those? Send a fax? Seriously, what problem do you have that isn't solved by "reportbug --offline --output=foo" ? Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.

Re: ifupdown 0.7~alpha4 in experimental

2011-06-16 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stephan Seitz writes: > So how do you do the auto configuration? Do you have radvd running or > a DHCPv6 server? If I understand correctly, radvd won’t give you DNS > servers. radvd *can* give you DNS servers. See the RDNSS option in radvd.conf(5). rdnssd is a client implementation for Linux.

Re: enforced systemd services

2014-11-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marc Haber writes: > Indeed. Do we really have to pull that from a video or presentation > slides? Is this part of the official systemd docs anywhere? I don't know of any collection of all security related directives, but you can find an index of all unit file directives in systemd.directives(7)

Re: Using USB serial device with a cdc-acm driver

2014-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Dmitriy Fitisov writes: > we have a small device of our own, which communicates through serial USB on > Windows. > Now we need it to work on Raspberry (yes, I know this is Debian, which is > Raspberry based on). > USB descriptors configured as a modem, so, when I connect it to Linux, > cdc-acm

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

2014-12-03 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > We don’t support non-logind configurations. You might not. AFAICS, Debian does. > We support non-systemd-as-pid-1 configurations, but they still run > logind through systemd-shim. systemd-shim is not essential. You can still install jessie without systemd, and hen

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

2014-12-03 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > Bjørn Mork wrote: > > We support non-systemd-as-pid-1 configurations, but they still run > > logind through systemd-shim. > > systemd-shim is not essential. You can still install jessie without > sy

Re: Bug#777643: general: possibly, some keyboard layouts should use U+22C5 DOT OPERATOR instead of U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT

2015-02-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Nikolaus Rath writes: >> How dare you write ... instead of the proper … :-P > > I'm curious, how do you type that in conviently? I hope it's not copying > and pasting from a template file, and remembering (and/or finding out) > the X11 Compose sequence seems cumbersome too. I see that you have g

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-26 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marco d'Itri writes: > On Nov 26, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > >> Sorry to be blunt about this, but have you reported these? Sniping at (any) > > No, they have not. There is a lot of handwaving in this thread but very > few results of actual tests. "Migration is not (easily) reversible" was r

Re: @debian.org mail

2019-06-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Daniel Lange writes: > We have more people registered for DebConf ("the Debian Developers' > conference") with @gmail.com than @debian.org addresses. You can't fix @gmail.com. It is deliberately broken for commercial reasons, and that won't stop with SPF and DKIM. Anti-spam is just the current

Re: Debian, so ugly and unwieldy!

2019-06-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
Adam Borowski writes: > => Install gtk3-nocsd by default in all desktop tasks but Gnome. It's not > perfect but it helps. That's nice. Thanks for the tip. I enjoy nice tools like eog and evince, but have always been annoyed by the missing window title and associated window manager cont

Re: Apt-secure and upgrading to bullseye

2019-07-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Julian Gilbey writes: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:31:51PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: >> Hooray, buster's released! Congrats to all! >> >> So I tried upgrading my machine to bullseye today, and >> aptitude/apt-get update don't like this, giving me errors such as: >> >> E: Repository 'http://ft

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Bernd Zeimetz writes: > On 8/11/19 12:01 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: >> restart|force-reload) >> log_daemon_msg "Restarting $DESC" >> do_stop >> sleep 1 >> do_start >> log_end_msg $? >> ;; >> >> Yes, this particular case might fail on a pathologicall

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ondřej Surý writes: > On the privacy topic... > > Slides: https://irtf.org/anrw/2019/slides-anrw19-final44.pdf > Paper: https://dl.acm.org/authorize.cfm?key=N687437 And also section 8 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reid-doh-operator-00 > And you can get to the video recording from the AN

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve McIntyre writes: > I had been thinking about doing similar for installer images too, but > with other work going on too I think it got too late in the cycle to > make that change. My plan is therefore to ship i386 installer images > for bookworm as normal (including bookworm point releases

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ansgar writes: > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 20:57 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Hmm.  I find the netboot installer archives very useful for rescue >> purposes.  This sometimes involves PC hardware too old for amd64. I PXE >> booted a 20+ year old laptop with no DVD/CD drive (

Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems

2023-06-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marco d'Itri writes: > as we all know every Debian maintainer can veto any systemic changes > that they do not like. I don't think qusr-merge would not have happened if this was true. And I believe you know that very well. I find your remark disrespectful. And I'm trying hard to assume good f

Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems

2023-06-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve McIntyre writes: > Raphaël Hertzog wrote: >> >>In the same spirit, I'd like to throw an idea... could we decide that >>base-files is the first package to be configured as part of the bootstrap >>protocol and change base-files maintainer's scripts into statically linked >>executables so that

Re: proposal: dhcpcd-base as standard DHCP client starting with Trixie

2023-06-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
nick black writes: > what > does NetworkManager offer that makes it superior to > systemd-networkd on the desktop I don't know what systemd-networkd has to offer in this regard, but for laptop usage I'm personally fond of the ModemManager integration along with multihoming policies (eth0 preferr

Re: snapshot.d.o has been in a bad state for several months

2023-08-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
"Theodore Ts'o" writes: > I was curious about this, since I rely on snapshots.debian.org in > order to create repeatable builds for a file system test appliance, so > I started digging a bit. Looking at the debian-bugs pseudo-package > "snapshot.debian.org": > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/p

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Luca Boccassi writes: > If we want to start nitpicking, then let's be exact: 0.61% of popcon. > Whether that qualifies as "plenty" we'll leave as an exercise for the > readers. I wonder if this sort of arrogant "don't care about minorities" attitude will ever stop? Was sort of hoping that thing

Re: debian names

2020-11-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > I would consider it highly unlikely that (Disney would claim and a court > would agree with them, that) Pixar customers could confuse some Pixar > products with a Debian release. I believe Disney lawyers are world famous for their ability to construct a legal problem

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marc Haber writes: > My workaround is to plug in a network cable for installation. But > alas, I have up to now been able to avoid hardware without built-in > Ethernet. I guess that many USB Ethernet interfaces will work out of > the box without non-free, right? Yes, even integrated LTE/5G modem

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve McIntyre writes: > Marc Haber wrote: >> >>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would >>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage >>to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons. > > Are we seriously just going to describe ou

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve McIntyre writes: > However, in the latter case Debian has shipped non-free stuff. That is > a big shift in our position. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying this > is an impossible place for us to go to. But before we do that we > should have an open and honest debate about it. I absolutely

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
There is no one proposing that non-free should be mandatory. The original topic was whether it should be possible to install Debian at all, noting that there are situations where this now is so difficult that it will be percevied as "impossible" by some users. I believe it is an undisputed fact t

Re: Fixed release dates are hurting quality

2021-02-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > If the packages in question are essential, then these packages should get a > proper > maintainer with a maintenance release first before the freeze kicks in. How does that happen? Bjørn

Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm

2021-02-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marvin Renich writes: > * Steinar H. Gunderson [210209 14:27]: >> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 08:53:10PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> > And there are now also many non-technical Linux users who have never >> > used a shell. >> >> Well, why do we include netcat, telnet or hdparm? lsof? pciutils? >> t

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 12:21:36PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 01:05:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> > I happen to disagree. To me this is yet another step away from being a >> > proper Unix system - to something el

Re: Q: Use https for {deb,security}.debian.org by default

2021-08-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
Jeremy Stanley writes: > While this does complicate it, a snooping party can still know the > site they're connecting to via SNI happening unencrypted, I believe this can be fixed with TLS 1.3? > and packet sizes/pacing likely give away which pages or files are > being retrieved based on their

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

2021-11-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
Michael Biebl writes: > Am 17.11.2021 um 19:57 schrieb Sam Hartman: >> The question is whether we ever get to a place where people can update >> files in a package currently installed to /bin/foo and instead install >> them to /usr/bin/foo. >> We have a consensus that dpkg bugs make that a bad ide

Re: etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/ equivalent for systemd-resolved

2021-12-30 Thread Bjørn Mork
Scott Kitterman writes: > I believe I can solve this problem by adding Recommends: resolvconf if that's > the only way. I had hoped there would be some "modern" way to do it from > within Debian's default package set. Funny. That seems to have been the solution to this bug almost 20 years ag

Re: The future of src:ntp

2022-01-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
Bernhard Schmidt writes: > - Since NTS leverages X.509, how does it work with a broken clock on > boot that is ticking outside of the certificate validity period? I don't know how it is intended to work, but it seems pretty obvious that NTS certificate validation must ignore the validity perio

Re: Gmail bounce unauthenticated @debian.org addresses

2022-03-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
"LeJacq, Jean Pierre" writes: > There are standard best practices for forwarding support in SPF. > > http://www.open-spf.org/Best_Practices/Forwarding/ Well, if it only was that simple. There is NO working SRS software/example config for sendmail in Debian or anywhere else AFAICS. The only thi

Re: What to do with merged /usr and dpkg-fsys-usrunmess

2022-04-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marco d'Itri writes: > Sorry, blame the dpkg maintainer. Is that how we discuss technical issues around here? Bjørn

Re: What to do with merged /usr and dpkg-fsys-usrunmess

2022-04-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 04:02:23PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> > Sorry, blame the dpkg maintainer. >> >> Is that how we discuss technical issues around here? > This is not a technical issue. Ah, sorry. I mistook this for the "Discus

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
Matt Barry writes: >> - why has a change been made > > I think this is explained in excruciating detail. The short version > (from NEWS): > > "mode 0700 provides both the most secure, unsurprising default" This is a self-referencing explanation. It provides no value. It's only good if you alr

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Philipp Kern writes: > On 25.07.22 08:46, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Matt Barry writes: >>>> - why has a change been made >>> >>> I think this is explained in excruciating detail. The short version >>> (from NEWS): >>> >>> "mode 0

Re: transition to usrmerge to start around 2022-09-15 (next Thursday)

2022-09-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
Luca Boccassi writes: > Nothing was ignored. In the spirit of good faith I'll assume you meant "Nothing new was ignored". It's a fact that you are ignoring a few issues caused by usrmerge. This is thoroughly documented in the BTS. Arrogance is not on the bug list, but maybe it should be? It'

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Robert Edmonds writes: > The entire DNS root zone is only 1 MB compressed and is updated about > once a day. It would be even better for privacy if the whole root zone > were distributed via HTTPS, as the initiator would not reveal to the > server any information about what TLD is being looked up

Re: pager and upgrades

2020-02-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Thomas Goirand writes: > without a pager installed. Is that really possible? AFAICS, /bin/more is part of util-linux which is essential. So you will always have at least one pager installed. But something might have messed up the alternatives symlinks. Falling back to /bin/more is better han

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-19 Thread Bjørn Mork
"Theodore Y. Ts'o" writes: > I've always considered /bin/ed the most basic system administration > tool, since it doesn't require a working terminal or termcap entry. > It works even if you are using an ASR-33 teletype. :-) > > And at least for me, I find /bin/ed much more user friendly than vi,

Re: Nitrokey for DDs

2020-09-09 Thread Bjørn Mork
Zlatan Todorić writes: > In that regard, if DDs find Nitrokey interesting, I have contact with > their founder and we could negotiate discount(s) on their products and > also pursue similar effect as with Peertube - we (potentially) get > what some (all?) DDs need while we help them grow as indep

Re: Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.

2016-07-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > On 09/07/16 22:31, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: >> Hi Emilio! >> >> Thank you for contacting us. In fact, like independent application of any >> DE, >> but they were compatible with the traditional look of windows and based on >> the >> GTK library. So w

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russ Allbery writes: > Christian Seiler writes: >> On 12/29/2016 08:38 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> ip address also has one of the worst output UI decisions I've ever seen, >>> namely this line: >>> >>> inet 192.168.0.195/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global dynamic wlan0 >>> >>> specifically

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russell Stuart writes: > On Thu, 2016-12-29 at 11:38 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> It certainly doesn't provide a man page that doesn't start with a BNF >> syntax description.  The iproute2 documentation is awful. >> >> Also, this is not at all easy to parse: >> >> # ip -o address >> 1: loine

Re: Bug#846002: Debian Installer Stretch RC 1 release

2017-01-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
Andreas Tille writes: >> Since this is still an open discussion in #846002, I would have >> preferred if you would not try to force your own preference here before >> the CTTE made its decision. > > While I'm not sure whether its a personal preference or whether some > discussion I might have mis

Re: systemd, ntp, kernel and hwclock

2017-02-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:15:23AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> > But ntpd is also known to have a large amount of code written >> > without as much regard for security as one would hope. It seems >> > like an unnecessary risk for most systems. >> >> >> Thanks for tha

Re: P.S. Re: Debian 9 in a VM with Proxmox 5 system

2017-07-10 Thread Bjørn Mork
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jul 10, Adam Borowski wrote: > >> Predictability is important, thus let's actually have _predictable_ >> interface names. The kernel default, eth0 and wlan0, is good enough for >> most users, why not keep that? Even just ignoring the issue completely > B

Re: P.S. Re: Debian 9 in a VM with Proxmox 5 system

2017-07-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Samuel Thibault writes: > Vincent Bernat, on lun. 10 juil. 2017 20:55:29 +0200, wrote: > >> Other major distributions are using this new scheme (notably Ubuntu >> which has no reason to have users smarter than ours) > > The reasoning is the converse: non-techy users will just not be exposed > to i

Re: Naming of network devices - how to improve it in buster

2017-07-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Guus Sliepen writes: > Ok, it should be clear now that the new way of naming interfaces is not > ideal, but the older ways weren't either. Let's have a look at what we > want: > > - A simple name for systems with a single Ethernet and/or Wireless > interface (the simple desktop/laptop scenario)

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

2017-08-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
Abou Al Montacir writes: > On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 08:24 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > ... >> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team >> > >> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"? >> >> Archive Team. Or the A-Team for short. The only Debian team with a the

Re: Help, I broke sso.debian.org for chrome - Found reason

2017-09-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Enrico Zini writes: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 11:37:01AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: > >> I refactored the certificate generation code for sso.debian.org, and the >> certificates it generates now still work in Firefox but not in Chrome. > > I found the reason: python-cryptography writes the certifi

Should tasks be considered harmful?

2017-12-03 Thread Bjørn Mork
tl;dr: Desktop tasks have unexpected (from the user point of view) side effects due to dependencies. This can be considered harmful since the installer task selection can easily can trick a user into installing a "substandard" system. Yesterday I did something I rarely do: I installed Debian from

Re: Should tasks be considered harmful?

2017-12-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Paul Wise writes: > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: > >> But how would a user without any previous knowledge of modemmanager or >> Linux networking be able to figure this out? > > It sounds like you are looking for isenkram to be integrated into the

Re: Putting default config files in /usr [was; (newbie) Disruptive LIRC package update.]

2015-11-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tom H writes: > systemd isn't the first package to allow/promote shipping distro > settings in "/lib" or "/usr/lib" and overriding them via "/etc"; udev > and polkit/policykit have behaved like this for a long time. There's > also "/usr/lib/sysctl.d/" where a distro ship settings that can be > ov

Re: Putting default config files in /usr [was; (newbie) Disruptive LIRC package update.]

2015-11-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Bjørn Mork writes: > "/usr/lib/sysctl.d/" is systemd specific. Dropping files there won't do > anything unless you run the systemd-sysctl service. Sorry, should have researched this better first. sysctl WILL use "/usr/lib/sysctl.d/" if it exists. procps won&#

Re: It makes no sense to link vmlinuz and initramfs to the root directory

2024-11-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
Geert Stappers writes: > Chesters fence Chesterton's? Bjørn

Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie

2024-09-23 Thread Bjørn Mork
Lukas Märdian writes: > On 23.09.24 12:27, Ansgar 🙀 wrote: > >> So on desktop installations including NetworkManager, netplan will >> be >> configured to do nothing? Why install netplan at all on desktop systems >> then? > > Because it allows to add configuration in a way that is common with serve

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
Chris Hofstaedtler writes: > No. I see and type my username hundreds times a day, people use it > to address me in written and spoken conversations with it, etc. This is confusing the subject even more. Are you sure you are talking about usernames? Or is this email local parts, chat nicknames

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues writes: > But my 2 cents on the topic are: Lets please allow more than ascii in > usernames. I find it very uncomfortable every time I have to tell my students > that sorry, you somehow have to manage writing your name using American > letters > because that's al

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
Marc Haber writes: >> On the other hand, as long as this is admin-controlled, it doesn't >> matter much. I could see that viewpoint, but I wonder how much latent >> breakage would be introduced that will take years to fix in all tooling >> and all packages. > > Yes. Fixing breakage makes software

Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

2025-03-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Simon Richter writes: > their questionable choices in buying hardware that ships with non-free > firmware Is there hardware that ships with free firmware? Seriously. Bjørn

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-02-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Wookey writes: but I think I need to know the equivalent to au FileType mail setlocal formatoptions+=w for emacs particularly, but also zile, jed and mcedit (all of which get used from time to time). Anyone know? Set `use-hard-newlines' for emacs, according to https://debbugs.gnu.org/cg

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Wookey writes: > Which entry in which release notes will warn that this time > (presumably - was this an upgrade to unstable K.C. or to bookworm, or > something else?) the (pretty old now) eth0 -> 'annoying, unmemorable, > but ordered and unique', renaming will/might actually break your > config?

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Michael Banck writes: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 04:06:56PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 20:39:43 -0500, "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" >> wrote: >> >Both network "outages" could have been prevented by adding a note at the >> >end of the dist-upgrade output. >> > >> >e.g. something lik

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Matthias Urlichs writes: > On 05.03.25 17:16, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> apt install apt-listchanges > > To be fair, apt-listchanges lists a whole lot of changes, esp. when > you do a dist-upgrade. > > Noticing the one change among the umpteen more-or-less-major NEWS > entrie

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-03-11 Thread Bjørn Mork
The Wanderer writes: > To be fair, while I *am* against the proposal, I'm also not a Debian > Developer - just an interested observer of, and occasional participant > in, discussions on Debian mailing lists (including this one). +1 and to clarify my view on format=flowed: This should not be ma

Re: Inquiry About Contributing a COM Mouse Driver to the Community

2025-05-24 Thread Bjørn Mork
bjorn@miraculix:~$ apt show inputattach Package: inputattach Version: 1:1.8.1-1 Priority: optional Section: utils Source: joystick Maintainer: Stephen Kitt Installed-Size: 73.7 kB Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libsystemd0 Homepage: https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxconsole/ Tag: hardware::input,

Re: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages?

2025-07-18 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russ Allbery writes: > A careful debian-devel observer could > have listed most of the people who would respond to the thread and written > a pretty good paraphrase of what they would say the moment they saw the > first few messages in the thread. FWIW I believe you do it better and better for e

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