Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
d. Consumer writable DVD media does not allow you to write the disc keys, so you cannot make a simple copy that is readable by an authorised DVD player. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: multiarch conversion for packages with lib32* packages

2012-03-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
or ia64? AFAIK we no longer have any support for IA-32 emulation: hardware emulation was removed (since Montecito), the kernel support bitrotted (prior to 2.6.32) and has been removed (2.6.34), and the software emulator is non-free. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings I'm always amazed by the number of peo

Re: multiarch conversion for packages with lib32* packages

2012-03-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 18:37 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 14:56 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > [...] > >> FYI: Since I have recieved no objections from ftp-master nor the release > >> team

Re: Bug#666715: ITP: dedupdedup -- find duplicate programs for finding duplicate files

2012-04-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
h programs remains. Can like this be generalised to dedupe web servers, window managers and init systems? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings I'm always amazed by the number of people who take up solipsism because they heard someone else explain it. - E*Borg on alt.fan.pratchett signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: possible mass bug filing for packages shipping stuff in /var/run, /var/lock, /run?

2012-10-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-run.html > http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-var-run.html > http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-var-lock.html [...] Seems like these should be added to ftp-master autorejects.

Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
should not be sent to the maintainer address, not to some general mailing list. (The maintainer address may itself be a mailing list, but if the maintainer(s) no longer read mail sent to it then that's a further reason to orphan/salvage the package!) Ben. -- Ben H

Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:58:54PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 01:47:52PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote: > [...] > > All the pings in the world won't help if you are sending them via > > a path that discards them. I know several large US

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
7;noopt' won't hide the bug? Also, gdb and the GNU toolchain have recently got a lot better at handling highly optimised code (tracking variables in registers, treating inlined functions as logically separate functions, etc.). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
is not a typo; this would actually affect both v4 and v6.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings I'm always amazed by the number of people who take up solipsism because they heard someone else explain it. - E*Borg on alt.fan.pratchett signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 18:29 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Ben Hutchings [2012.11.03.1515 +0100]: > > int one = 1; > > setsockopt(sock, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FREEBIND, &one, sizeof(one)); > > bind(sock, ...); > > > > Or we set the net.ipv4.

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 19:35 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 3 novembre 2012 15:15 CET, Ben Hutchings : > > >> I can now disable DAD, or insert "sleep 10" at the top of > >> /etc/init.d/unbound, but neither is an acceptable solution. > >> > >&g

Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
Don't feed the troll. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings I'm always amazed by the number of people who take up solipsism because they heard someone else explain it. - E*Borg on alt.fan.pratchett signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 01:56 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Don't feed the troll. > It's not trolling. > It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as > problems

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
aris provide the options IP_{RECVDST,SENDSRC}ADDR. This lack of portability may explain why more applications have not adopted this approach yet. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings No political challenge can be met by shopping. - George Monbiot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
eself up > onto a netlink socket from userspace. Right, you must use rtnetlink. But that is no more portable than using socket options to reflect addresses for UDP. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings No political challenge can be met by shopping. - George Monbiot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Intel/AMD x86 CPU microcode update system in non-free

2012-11-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
> packages as a recommendation of the firmware-linux-nonfree package. ...which is that dpkg does not support architecture-specific relations in binary packages. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Intel/AMD x86 CPU microcode update system in non-free

2012-11-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 02:35 +0200, Adrian Fita wrote: > On 08/11/12 01:44, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 04:33:00PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > >> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012, Adrian Fita wrote: > >>> Fair enough, but how about having the

Re: Where could I upload x32 port bootstrap?

2012-11-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
nd. [...] The compat layer for x32 is almost entirely the same as for i386 on x86_64; indeed it is almost entirely the same as Linux uses for *every* 64-bit architecture that supports a 32-bit userland. I think the only interesting difference is that x32 has 64-bit time_t. Ben. -- Ben Hutch

Re: Where could I upload x32 port bootstrap?

2012-11-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 22:53 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 20:14 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Bastian Blank wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at

Re: A common configuration format, anyone?

2012-11-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
I don't know why you think this is relevant to debian-devel, but have fun. (And please don't ask anyone to package anything in this format.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings friends: People who know you well, but like you anyway. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
with udev > 195 anymore. I believe the regression (removal of support for firmware loading during module loading) has been fixed. However, the udev developers *knew in advance* that this would be a problem, reported such uses of firmware loading as being driver bugs. They then went ahead and cha

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
hat never affected you and wasn't fixed for a whole 2 days. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lis

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
prefer to use Hurd... or not. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of &qu

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 11:37 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 11/15/2012 10:07 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 01:11:32AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > [...] > >> So systems which put additional logic in PID 1 are going to increase > >> the

Re: Fwd: procenv_0.9-1_source.changes REJECTED

2012-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
e.g. kernel versions? > E.g. at lest the minimal version available _across_ all architectures? The minimum version should be whatever is in stable, i.e. 2.6.32. This is also the minimum version it needs to run on (think partial upgrades). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings compatible: Gracefully accepts err

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
This 'crap' is far easier for humans to edit (without specialised tools). And *that* is most certainly in the spirit of Unix, even if this particular format is most widely used by some parts of Windows. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by stupidity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
to keep the readability). > > So to keep everyone equally happy, we need: > > > > > > Structure _and_ readability. Should be more like: - item: | Structure, readability *and* flexibility. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
v *was*, originally. Now it's a daemon that performs more or less arbitrary actions when various events are reported by the kernel. Which is more or less what a modern init system does, only restricted to a particular type of event. It makes a fair

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
fs, I mean (1) the packages don't depend on initramfs-tools | linux-initramfs-tool (2) the kernel images have various filesystems and drivers built-in that would normally be modular. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: wheezy and gcc 4.3 (and maybe 4.5)

2012-12-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
the good one. debian-kernel is the specific list for our Linux kernel packages. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: dput-ng/1.1 in unstable

2012-12-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
ut actually it's deliberately incompatible? Is it that hard to think of a new name? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Btrfs limitations in the Debian installer 7.0 beta4 release

2012-12-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
installer or debootstrap the installation, which is far from ideal. [...] The correct list for discussing the installer is debian-b...@lists.debian.org Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-12-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
tell, this is just noise that ought to be suppressed. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Life is like a sewer: what you get out of it depends on what you put into it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Getting Intel Cedarview drivers into Debian

2012-12-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
consider > backporting that patch (if it even makes sense) to 3.2; Ben will > probably answer this point, otherwise you can reach kernel maintainers > at . [...] This went into 3.2.35. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Make three consecutive correct guesses and you will be considered an expert. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Getting Intel Cedarview drivers into Debian

2012-12-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
processors, which continue to be supported by the i915/intel kernel/Xorg/libdrm/Mesa drivers. For Atom SoCs and chipsets, Intel has long used the PowerVR GPUs designed by Imagination, which the latter considers to be Valuable Intellectual Property. However, I think everything aside from the act

Bug#697270: PC 32-bit programs fails to work on amd64

2013-01-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
he ia32-libs-* metapackages are transitional, this is due to become even more difficult in jessie. I think it's a mistake to remove well-known and useful metapackages, and they should be retained. However they should probably be moved into tasksel once the installer is multiarch-aware. Ben. -

Re: Bug#697270: PC 32-bit programs fails to work on amd64

2013-01-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
en though > what it mandates is ancient. The problem to be solved is that ISVs provide binaries for Linux i386 and our users want to run them on amd64. LSB, x32 and ARM are completely irrelevant - the important thing is to make it easy to install whatever libraries those ISVs depend on. Ben

Bug#697270: PC 32-bit programs fails to work on amd64

2013-01-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 13:03 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 06:59:49PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > dpkg --add-architecture i386 > > apt-get update > > > > The installer doesn't AFAIK provide even the option to do this. (The >

Re: how to handle architecture dependent headers in subdirectories

2013-01-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
er… a switch like Doko’s is > more correct because, in the M-A case, it’s all about *not* needing > to specify the architecture in some file. It’s just divined from > the current compiler configuration. I think it has some merit. -- Ben Hutchings I'm not a reverse psychological virus. Please don't copy me into your sig. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Candidates for removal from testing (2013-01-24)

2013-01-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
to crash. This > is because pydoc imports all packages in order to find out what > modules they contain. [...] I'm surprised that doesn't result in disaster more often... Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, ignorance or apathy? A. I don'

Bug#699138: general: Tor, opera, chrom(ium), others lock up gnome on Acer 722. Can not access other CLI terminals.

2013-01-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
This is presumably a kernel bug. I'm going to assume you're using the current version in testing/unstable, which is 3.2.35-2. Could you try the test packages referred to from <http://bugs.debian.org/687442#131>? I can't promise they will make any difference but they migh

Re: tool to create debian/copyright files paragraphs?

2013-01-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
le: debian/changelog > 2009 Paul Sladen [...] Do not assume that authors are copyright holders. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If more than one person is responsible for a bug, no one is at fault. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: RFC declarative built-using field generation

2013-02-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
ng", we > could use "BU". [...] Or 'source', short for 'the build-dependency's source code should be treated as part of my source code'. This is already reserved as a special architecture name for use in changes file. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Any smoothly functioning technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: RFC declarative built-using field generation

2013-02-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2013-02-07 at 20:51 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Or 'source', short for 'the build-dependency's source code should be > > treated as part of my source code'. This is already reserved as a > > special architecture n

Re: Debian bugs #800000 and #1000000 contest

2013-02-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
you read the list of bets you may see his point: http://wiki.debian.org/70thBugContest Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Any smoothly functioning technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: FYI: open-ath9k-htc-firmware

2013-03-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
be added to the linux-firmware.git repository and then to our firmware-free source package. Perhaps you could talk to the Atheros developers and you or they could prepare a patch for linux-firmware.git? I recently added carl9170, which may be a useful example to follow. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We

Re: FYI: open-ath9k-htc-firmware

2013-03-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 11:13 +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:15:20 + > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > This should be added to the linux-firmware.git repository and then to > > our firmware-free source package. Perhaps you could talk to the > > Atheros de

Re: FYI: open-ath9k-htc-firmware

2013-03-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
lieve this is allowed in Debian, nor do I have time for that. But if you want to fight that battle, you are welcome, and I'll be happy to build firmware-free using those packages. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The obvious mathematical breakthrough [to break modern encryption] would be devel

Re: apt-show-versions rewrite

2013-03-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
x27;s a weak point at present. It's surprisingly slow even on fast computers, and can be painfully so on old/low-end machines. But to benefit the most number of users, I think you will need to work on merging these improvements back into the original libapt. Ben. (not an APT developer) --

[RFC] Putting the date back into utsname::version

2013-03-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
t: #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Mar 21 2023 Debian 9.99.99-9codename9 [59] alt: #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 9.99.99-9codename9 (Tue Mar 21 2023)[61] Would anyone like to argue in favour of any particular alternative? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is easier to write an incorrect program than to understan

Re: touchscreen support in Debian?

2013-03-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
le bit. I'm sorry If I touched > someone to hard, but some things have to be said. > > I'll try to calm down in future ;) Please do. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings I'm not a reverse psychological virus. Please don't copy me into your sig. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-03-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
= [...] These might usefully be further divided into truly Debian-specific and dpkg/apt-specific, at least in binary packages. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 14:41 +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 31.03.2013, 00:13 + schrieb Ben Hutchings: > > On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 22:49 +0100, Benjamin Drung wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > devscripts ships a bunch of scripts to make the life

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
it doesn't, > and probably shouldn't. Right. Since it can be useful on other distributions, it might make sense to call it, say, 'debbugs-control', and then install an alias (symlink) to 'bts' when the package is built for Debian (checked using dpkg-vendor). Ben.

Re: Bug#684128: down the memory hole

2013-04-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
trace on the relevant bug report. [...] Since you took so long to get to the point in that message, it's possible that your message was incorrectly identified as spam. Or this may just be an accident in processing of incoming mail, which has occasionally occurred. Ben. -- Ben Hutchin

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
s in /etc/fstab. 3. Running 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-base' did not change these device names, as expected (it should only touch IDE and SCSI device names). So it seems that this is only going to be an issue if users take the unusual step of changing /etc/fstab to refer to LVs by UUID. But

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
e Debian wiki makes it seem like it is a good > idea to use it and makes no warning about the LVM snapshot issue: > > http://wiki.debian.org/fstab#UUIDs > > http://wiki.debian.org/Part-UUID > > so maybe it would be good if somebody who knows this issue in more depth > than myself was to update that. [...] Done. -- Ben Hutchings Life would be so much easier if we could look at the source code. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
untries have similar laws The DMCA 'safe harbor' rules are comparatively *good* for service providers, though not so much for service users that have enemies. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
go because it had too many issues. No, it's this: http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/Safe-2.35/Safe.pm (I seem to remember using a very early version of this, which was the only way to run a CGI script in my web space at university. It was definitely very restricted, but then I wasn'

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
> rental sign to any site you visit. Debian is not Windows. We have separate packages for the JRE and the browser plugin. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Humans are not rational beings; they are rationalising beings. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: DEBIAN 0.93

2013-04-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
This is more of a topic for debian-project or even debian-curiosa. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.

Re: Bug#705168: Any multi VGA controller systems failing to boot?

2013-04-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
should be included in an early kernel update for wheezy. This was confirmed to fix bug #704933. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyping and Production: A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#602034: jpeg8 vs jpeg-turbo

2013-04-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
om [3]): [...] He also says that he is treating his libjpeg as 'reference code' for JPEG, i.e. for demonstrating and testing extensions to the JPEG standard. This does not sound like production code or a suitable substitute for the established libjpeg which supported JFIF and little else (i.e. everything that's in common use) and had a very stable API for that. Maybe when the ink is dry on JPEG 201x then we will want a new libjpeg (perhaps an entirely separate library) that supports it. But we don't need it now. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyping and Production: A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#602034: jpeg8 vs jpeg-turbo

2013-04-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
be added in either libjpeg-turbo or the applications that want it. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyping and Production: A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Debian-med-packaging] Question about proper archive area for packages that require big data for operation

2013-04-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
would be better for most users (not so nice for others). (Incidentally, arch:all packages generating arch-specific data have interesting interactions with multi-arch. I doubt many people with multi-arch systems would want this package to generate multiple version

Re: [Debian-med-packaging] Question about proper archive area for packages that require big data for operation

2013-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 10:13 +0200, Laszlo Kajan wrote: > Dear Ben! > > On 27/04/13 00:46, Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] > > However, I would expect the vast majority of installations to be on > > amd64, so if you always generate a 64-bit little-endian database > >

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
That's why I think maintainers should not only build in pbuilders and > cowbuilders, but give their packages some actual testing. Actual testing of Debian means auto-building and testing the resulting binaries. Anything else is secondary, though it is certainly very irritating when packages

Re: Bug#705168: Any multi VGA controller systems failing to boot?

2013-05-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:14:23AM -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: > On 2013-04-22 19:40:01 EDT, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 18:21 -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: > >> Is anyone else seeing a boot hangup on wheezy with the linux/3.2.41-2 > >> kernel &g

Re: Bug#705168: Any multi VGA controller systems failing to boot?

2013-05-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 15:03 -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: > On 2013-05-07 13:20:02 EDT, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:14:23AM -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: > >> 1) This bug is a month old and due to a Debian patch which was rejected > >>

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
check this in advance. Sorry about that. If there are particular changes that cause a lot of breakage, they could be reverted temporarily. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. - Harrison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
of those bugs may be security vulnerabilities - not just in the kernel, but in userland (think of seccomp mode 2 filters). To me, the benefit of adding x32 seems so vanishingly small that it doesn't yet outweigh that concern. > You do have a point about adding new multilibs instead of m

Re: Debian 7

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
on the front page of www.debian.org refers to 'Debian 7.0' (with 'wheezy' as a secondary identifier in one place). All our formal documentation should identify stable releases by number and then optionally by codename. For the testing suite (i.e. pre-

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
es. > linux-image-*-amd64-dbg, compressed size 250MiB, takes 20-30 minutes to > compress on an 61xx Opteron. [...] Yes, it takes about as long as the compilation (depending on number of cores) because compression is not parallelised. It still seems worthwhile when the debug info is so large, b

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
ong time, but there is no race condition in the running system. (And the initramfs changes to mount /usr could conceivably include recovering from missing symlinks in /.) Ben. > And now you have space in /boot for a 150 MB grml-small rescue image! > -- Ben Hutchings For every action, t

Re: can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?

2013-05-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:45:55PM +0200, Mailbox wrote: > Hello Developer Group, > > can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing? [...] This is off-topic; you should ask on the debian-user list or other support channel. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
.6). I think that a dependency on 'gcc-4.6 | gcc-4.6:i386' might fix that, but what would britney think of it? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. - Harrison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
r or worse. > Well, worse. I don't think that's fair. It's not udev itself, but the increasing number of things that may be hooked into device events. [...] > How are those udev replacement projects coming along? Something else > to think about for jessie. Apparentl

Re: Release sprint results - team changes, auto-rm and arch status

2013-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
> using Loongson 2E for buildds and porters machines, which are not > affected by this issue. They are affected by that or a very similar issue, as demonstrated by Jo Shields recently: http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/545/ Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Usenet is essentially a HUGE group of peop

Re: Release sprint results - team changes, auto-rm and arch status

2013-11-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 15:12 +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 01:57:39PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 09:22 +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > > Some precision about the MIPS machines: > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 28, 201

Re: dpkg with new Essential (Was: pidof changing from sysvinit-devel to procps)

2013-12-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
should be able to test this with a private APT repository. Though this must have been done before, so someone should be able to answer from experience. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings One of the nice things about standards is that there are so many of them. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] procps with pidof is released

2013-12-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
x.debian.devel.general/185723/focus=185725 -- Ben Hutchings The obvious mathematical breakthrough [to break modern encryption] would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers. - Bill Gates -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of &quo

Re: procps with pidof is released

2013-12-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
package contains a > #!/bin/bash script without depending on bash. What if I want to use bash features in a preinst script? The idea of making bash non-essential seems like pure busy-work; the vast majority of Debian systems will continue to have it installed and it will just result in a st

Re: procps with pidof is released

2013-12-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 11:54 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 07:07:54PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 16:06 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:22:27 -0800, Steve Langasek > > > wrote: > > > >O

Re: Last call for pv-grub-menu.

2013-12-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
nth back about how a Xen host could detect and run a Xen-aware GRUB in domU automatically (with pv-grub as a fallback). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Life is like a sewer: what you get out of it depends on what you put into it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: GnuTLS in Debian

2013-12-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
an either OpenSSL or GnuTLS, although it's getting better. The free software world desparately needs a permissively licenced TLS library with sane default behaviour. OpenSSL or GnuTLS seem to have failed us on both grounds, and I hope interested developers will cooperate with the Fedora develope

Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

2013-12-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
d ask > that you suggest why you think there should be a default, and why you > think that "MySQL" should not be the default "MySQL". Similarly, wodim is not cdrecord LibreOffice is not OpenOffice.org Iceweasel is not Firefox etc. so clearly we should never have impl

Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

2013-12-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
ong as there are > parties available to maintain them. Percona Server will also be arriving > soon, and now I see talk of Galera enabled MySQL variants as well. This strikes me as an incredibly bad idea. There will be four times the security issues to fix, more work for maintainers of dependent

Re: On building everything from source.

2013-12-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
that. [...] The firmware-linux-free maintainer has verified that identical binaries can be built from source, but as you well know not all of the required cross-compilers are packaged in Debian. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: On building everything from source.

2013-12-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2013-12-28 at 08:11 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > The firmware-linux-free maintainer has verified that identical binaries > > can be built from source, but as you well know not all of the required > > cross-c

Re: Fwd: Re: several SIGSEGV bugs in debian 7/AMD64

2013-12-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
modules (well, libs > with a smaller sub-version number). With debian 6 using a 3.x kernel, > *the same* happens as I described here for debian 7. [...] You are also using a new version of the nvidia driver with this kernel... Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyp

Re: Pulseaudio

2013-12-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2013-12-28 at 17:13 -0600, Kathleen Spence wrote: > Hello, > > > Just wondering if there was any chance that pulseaudio could be > removed from trunk (any debain dist) and just go back to basic known > working good alsa? Don't feed the troll! Ben. -- Ben Hutchi

Re: Fwd: Re: several SIGSEGV bugs in debian 7/AMD64

2013-12-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 01:57 -0100, René Kuligowski wrote: > > On 28.12.2013 23:46, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2013-12-28 at 19:52 -0100, René Kuligowski wrote: > > > >> Hi Adrian, > >> > >> > >> Thanks for your quick answe

Re: CUPS is now linked against OpenSSL (was: Re: GnuTLS in Debian)

2014-01-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
tely > forbidden to link with it, even indirectly. [...] I think this is an absurd interpretation. It is certainly not being applied to linux-tools, where we have perf linked against libpython linked against OpenSSL. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Always try to do things in chronological order; it&#

Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when 5 youtube video opened

2014-01-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
tart crashing > randomly. I seriously doubt that. I think that part of the Intel graphics stack (could be userland or kernel) used ENOSPC to indicate that some GPU resource was exhausted. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Quantity is no substitute for quality, but it's the only one we've got. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: SSDs have extra "unused" space???

2014-01-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
ry storage and communication medium is subject to errors and manufacturers must do some statistical analysis to validate that the uncorrectable error rate is not too high. NAND flash just has an unusually high 'raw' error rate. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: libunwind and ia64

2014-01-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
libunwind8 involves a very large number of source packages. What this means in practice is that libunwind8 cannot transition to testing at least until ia64 is officially removed as a release architecture. For now, make sure you build with libunwind7-dev. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If the facts do not

Re: Bug#735134: perl: rename(1) is ancient

2014-02-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
solution, as it leaves libfile-rename-perl auto-removable after the following release. (Note that this isn't a problem for transitional packages, because APT does not mark dependencies of packages in section 'oldlibs' as auto-installed.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is easier to write an incorrect program than to understand a correct one. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: systemd's journal

2014-02-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
ocess exits > may not be attributed correctly, because journald can't read the extended > credentials (like the cgroup the process is in) from /proc any more. Well, there is a proposal to add that to SCM_CREDENTIALS or another auxiliary message that can be received through the s

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
vice when, in fact, they use PulseAudio. > > These show up as ALSA in the "Applications" tab in the PA sound > preferences during playback. > > It might be sensible to add a global asound.conf in /etc/ to resolve > this issue for every ALSA-only application. Yes, this really should be present by default. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings You can't have everything. Where would you put it? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
libasound2-plugins, which contains the pulseaudio plugins and others. So maybe the necessary change would be: - move the pulseaudio ALSA plugins and this config file into a new binary package - rename the config file so it's not just an example - make pulseaudio recommend that binary packag

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