Re: Bug#262507: ITP: resmgr -- resource manager library

2004-10-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
nly use it in scenarios where you would be willing to use pam_console. (Why somebody bothered to implement resmgr instead of simply enhancing pam_console is beyond me; probably NIH) -- .''`. ** Debian G

Re: Bug#262507: ITP: resmgr -- resource manager library

2004-10-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
cess someplace. Quite ironically, the solutions to the problems they cite for pam_console are exactly the same as the solutions they implemented for resmgr. Hence I figure it was probably NIH. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
an are guaranteed to always have conflicting results. No matter what your position on an issue, somebody in the project disagrees with you. Get over it. The only genuinely neutral content is the output of /dev/random; all else is subjective. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | An

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
only the tools provided on a Debian CD is a total moron. You might as well complain that the internet is bad, just because it's primarily used as a vehicle for delivering porn. [And that's without even starting on this insane notion that trying to stop kids from seeing porn is someho

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:47:47PM +, Will Newton wrote: > On Wednesday 01 Dec 2004 22:15, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > Anybody who can't obtain porn using only the tools provided on a > > Debian CD is a total moron. You might as well complain that the > > inter

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
east get it right. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: ldap - a completely new method for fetching lists of packages?

2004-12-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
; '(debTimeStamp>$lasttime)'. this would make keeping debian up to > date over dialup a much easier experience i imagine. Or you could just use something like rsync. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OT: appealing to the puritan interest [was Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor]

2004-12-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
t; in? > > Well, you would need to check the penal codes of each individual state > wherein such a minor resides; [...] > I don't > know how this applies to offenders from the UK. We tell them to fuck off. -- .'

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
here is only absence of action from some parties. Just because you elect not to engage in an action doesn't mean you can claim that nobody else should engage in that action. Not even under some misguided notion of "equality". If somebody was saying &q

Re: Legal budget and Director-and-officer insurance related to packages with "adult" themes

2004-12-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
ight. If it's necessary for one thing then it's necessary for everything. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Legal budget and Director-and-officer insurance related to packages with "adult" themes

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 07:14:07PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >Oh come on, they're at far greater risk from our overly-permissive > >approach to copyright and patent issues. > > > The copyright and patent problems faced by Debian are i

Re: Bug#284283: ITP: fairuse -- spam filter based on sender identity verification

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 11:51:29PM -0800, Stephen Birch wrote: > * License : Free for non-commercial use > > Subject to license verification (DFSG compliant): Non-commercial-use-only licenses are non-free. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suf

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
roducing censorship in order to not 'hurt their feelings' to be morally repugnant. It has been proven endless times that once you start doing this, you can't stop. For any package, there is going to be some minority group that is offended by it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
be exploited. Precisely. If we tolerate the intolerance of these people who are so terrified of images of the naked female form, then they will continue to exploit our tolerance. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
iven > package is NOT censorship. And telling somebody else that they can't distribute a given package IS censorship. You evidently have chosen not to do it. That's not censorship. You're presumably also trying to tell somebody else not to do it. That's censorship. --

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 03:55:27PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [...] freedom of expression constitutes one of the essential > > foundations of a democratic society and one of the basic conditions > > for its

Re: Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 12:21:04PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 05-Dec-04, 09:07 (CST), Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 08:45:56AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > On 05-Dec-04, 04:55 (CST), James Foster &

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
th > its expected implementation. There's only one way this ever goes. Any student of history should be familiar with how this plays out. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Legal budget and Director-and-officer insurance related to packages with "adult" themes

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
Debian works. You do the stuff you're interested in (frequently without mentioning it to anybody else, in some cases). Your Chicken Little act is not impressing anybody. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `'

Re: charsets in debian/control

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
transliterated field should be called 'Maintainer'. If you want some other freaky encoding, unsupported by the older tools, put it in a new field. Using the old field just breaks stuff for no reason. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffi

Re: Questionable image process. Was: Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- (abusive?) erotic images in Debian

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
you share interests with, then you really need to emigrate or revolt. Mine doesn't. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 08:33:54PM -0500, Josh Metzler wrote: > On Sunday 05 December 2004 08:25 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 12:21:04PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > On 05-Dec-04, 09:07 (CST), Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
At least in .au we have some legislation to protect minority > groups but we're not living in a totalitarian PC clampdown. Sounds irrelevant. There's a big difference between 'protect minority groups' (from what?) and 'compel everybody to behave in a

Re: Sacred Cows [was: Re: Debian's status as a legal entity and how it could effect a potential defense.]

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
in the context that Bruce's "history" is comprised of the immortal words "Fuck you all" and the deletion of our mailing list archives. Then it makes more sense. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ |

Re: Debian's status as a legal entity and how it could effect a potential defense.

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
not seriously applied. It's there to cover the University in the case of a lawsuit, and to allow them to selectively apply it to people they want to get rid of (just about anybody can be effectively accused of violating the policy; it's almost impossible to go through the day without doi

Re: Debian's status as a legal entity and how it could effect a potential defense.

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
own actions. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
hile censorship is a choice made by an otherwise unrelated person in the same organisation. Editing would be if the maintainer decided to remove the package. Censorship is when some other developer tries to force him. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
that in certain > contexts compels people to behave in a manner approved of by minority > groups, and yet we're not living in a totalitarian PC clampdown. Yet. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:25:31PM +0100, Andrea Bedini wrote: > Il giorno lun, 06-12-2004 alle 01:49 +0000, Andrew Suffield ha scritto: > > Word games. Censorship is when a citizen of one body chooses to have > > that body distribute something (by being a citizen and distributi

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
sible to think a package like hot-babe > is a bad idea without wanting to be set up as a censor for all ideas they > disagree with. However, it's extremely unlikely that it is possible to ban it for that reason without going down that path. There's a significant difference between

Re: package rejection

2004-12-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
ng. Commercial publishers run into this problem all the time and often decide it's safer not to bother] -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
sing a 'core' chunk early before there are any applications to run on it?) (c) Stuff that we've tried before and abandoned (like freezing unstable) (d) Stuff that isn't related to making releases faster -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Pre-Depends on emacs21? Re: cedet-common: breaks other packages in batch mode

2004-12-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
instead. Should be a trivial addition of a conditional somewhere. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
7;s not their fault if the software doesn't work, or indeed completely fails to be inside the expensive box when you open it). -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Why firmware generally won't be Free Software

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
l world. Free software is here. We'll do it again if we have to. They can open their specifications or we'll fucking implement around them and eventually drive them out of the market. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | A

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:07:35AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > It will take fund-raising to do it. Bullshit. There goes that "free software is impossible" argument again. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :&#x

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
nity to make widely desireable chips with zero royalty costs. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 03:57:19PM -0500, Brendan wrote: > On Monday 13 December 2004 14:50, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:21:54AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > My surmise is that we'd need an effort like that, raising $250K, to > > &

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:43:37AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 07:50:02PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:21:54AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > My surmise is that we'd need an effort like that, raising $250K, to

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 02:13:53PM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 07:50:02PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:21:54AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > My surmise is that we'd need an effort like that, raising $250K, to

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
) and requires various pieces of test equipment (the > purchase of which would also be a capital expense). One way or another, > someone will have to bear these expenses. And they say that about software too. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
tatement was of the form "Here is how we do it, and our way is the only way in which it is possible to do it". And we've heard that one before. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
don't have that excuse. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems?

2005-01-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
ot more > > time-effective, mail for mail, than trying to teach people how to use their > > MUA.) > > Mail-Followup-To is not part of any of the standards defining e-mail > protocols. Which just goes to show how useless and irrelevant these purported "standards&qu

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
decoders. Encoders only, not decoders. Decoders for anything probably cannot be patented. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:56:43PM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:06:53PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? > > > > How about the other MPEG stuff ? > > > > I find it har

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
Those are the patents for the transport mechanisms. Still not the decoders. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:03:37PM +, Will Newton wrote: > On Saturday 08 Jan 2005 15:46, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > And every set top box manufacturer pays for their MPEG-2 (or MPEG-4) > > > licenses. > > > > Those are the patents for the transpor

Re: execturing libc

2005-02-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
t having write access to any media that's not marked noexec? > > But I agree that the security benefits are trivial on a system where > users have access to perl. Or bash, that's enough to do it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :'

Re: "The Debian exim 4 packages suck badly" on exim-users@exim.org

2005-02-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
you could have done that yourself and saved us all the time of a couple of mails. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [debian-devel] Re: FW: A Call to Action in OASIS

2005-02-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
#x27;s a real problem that we've been facing for quite some time now. Action based on rational evaluation of the consequences *only*, please. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Updating config files: permissions!?

2005-02-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
ated file in place; no file is better than a mangled file). -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: dehs will stop

2005-02-27 Thread Andrew Suffield
o, not really. It's slow and doesn't present any views on the information that are particularly useful and it's completely immune to shell scripting. A web interface would appear to be the wrong way to do this. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield

Re: self-depending packages

2005-02-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
(I've hacked the code.) Unfortunately apt breaks the code. If you use dpkg directly it'll work. If you use apt it'll pick a random and unpredictable starting point. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** |

Re: self-depending packages

2005-02-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:49:41PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20050228T164806+0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Unfortunately apt breaks the code. If you use dpkg directly it'll > > work. If you use apt it'll pick a random and unpredictable starting &g

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
hy random people should not be writing licenses. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Not every package should enter Debian (was: Re: Who cares about NEW when there are bigger issues? (was Re: Is NEW processing on hold? (was: Question for candidate Towns)))

2005-03-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
ople ever object to 'pr0n' in the first place :P But since those would exclude so much of the archive already, they really can't be allowed as criteria. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: status of buildds?

2005-03-16 Thread Andrew Suffield
Trust is a 3-ary function of the form: trust :: Person -> Task -> Scenario -> Boolean And is defined as: trust p t s = (need_to_trust p t s) && (willing_to_trust p t s) It is not this, as you so absurdly clai

Re: Stephen Frost MIA?

2005-11-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
gt; > Since when is a message that is on topic (or at least relevant) to > Debian development spam? Everything on -devel is spam these days, didn't you get the memo? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
rts > of the world. I wish we could get it that cheap for my day job. What we have to pay to get useful bandwidth has more zeros in it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `-

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 09:56:27AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > On 12/19/05, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:27:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > * Steinar H. Gunderson: > > > > > >

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
redit. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
g every *change* to a given component to go through a single individual. Large projects need a pumpking, because dogpiling creates lousy software. For Debian this would be cumbersome and unwieldy as a rule, but some high-importance tasks could benefit from it. --

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:43:34AM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 08:38 +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring > > that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian > > develo

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 02:31:19PM -0500, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring > >that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian > >developer, who would be the "

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
problem at hand is exactly that /dev/hdX won't > necessarily be stable anymore. > > (and, once more, and much worse: network interfaces need a solution to the > same problem...) nameif, ifrename - really, this problem has been solved so many times that it's just not funny a

Re: APT public key updates?

2006-01-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
ld one expires should be safe at present. That's a conservative estimate. To defend against ancillary attacks (like somebody grabbing a copy of the key from ftp-master) you need to know how probable they are, and reduce these figures accordingly. -- .''`. ** Deb

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
ces don't scale to the level at which we have to work *all the time*. Just ask the BTS admins what happens when somebody scans http://bugs.debian.org/ to collect data. Oh, and hey - when SuSE are doing better than you at publishing the tools they use, it's a hint that maybe you suck.

Re: Powerfulness (was: tioga : a powerful plotting system in ruby)

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
d possibly be right, but you never know without reading the thing... -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 07:27, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:19:42PM -0500, Frans Jessop wrote: > > > >

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
SARS thing, and avian flu, and all that? And I want a pony. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:44:57AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:39, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > > > >

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
er than you) actually cares what method such users use, so long as it does not affect us. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
d to all these years. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Canonical's business model

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
re complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts." Mightily Oats: "Oh,

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
ta> > etc... I shall upload some of Manoj's pornography immediately. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
ty in his actions, and probably less actual insult. Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't make you a better person, it just makes you a l

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
the distinction between Canonical and any other company is pretty much nothing - except for their continual, offensive PR effort claiming otherwise. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > I don't[sic] the same rant over others Debian related companies Have you ever actually subscribed to any Debian mailing lists? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' :

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
first place. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
? Is it an unecessary fork? Or is it > not contributing back its changes to debian software? I think it's the pretending that pisses people off. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > I don't[sic] the same rant over others Debian related companies &

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:49:25AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > >

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:25:01PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
s also wrong. I don't think it's any real surprise that people dislike this sort of behaviour. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so > > much. > > I don't intend to participate in this type o

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
etric that complains about any other packages (I've tried two or three times to invent one). Sure, you could just manually exclude those few big offenders, but if you're going to do that then what's th

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
ast two ways to accomplish this. If they fail to contribute in a meaningful way, it just means more work for them (in trying to maintain a diverging fork). Hence, that's their problem. It's not really a problem for us. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/L

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
at*, there's ways to derive the metric in an automated fashion. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:11:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the > > threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, > > I have not yet found a metric that

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
m part of the "Debian world"? Intuitively, I would not expect any standard to classify any of the current derivatives as 'part of the Debian world'. We have very little interaction with any of them. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' :

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
etter cooperation so that WE can fill the > gap by taking part of their work. Did you really just say "we should cooperate better so that we can do Ubuntu's work for them"? The arrogance of such a statement is only surpass

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for people who can't understand sarcasm? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><-

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:55:14PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > That's simply wrong given the many people who use both and who cares about > > > both. > > > > By this reasoning, Windows is 'part

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:20:40PM +0200, Sami Haahtinen wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > > If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for > > people who can't understand sarcasm? > > I read the part about sarcasm and i partially argee w

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
anything wrong other than holding opinions you don't agree with, and you certainly can't put any evidence behind that 'detrimental to the project' claim, but *you* are pursuing a personal vendetta. Agai

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-14 Thread Andrew Suffield
like you missed the point of that mail, despite quoting it. What did you think the point was? Alternatively, what do you think is the correct mailing list for contacting (all of) the developers about appropriate use of d-d-a? -- .'

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