Hi!
Thanks both Lucas and Nicolas for your contributions to Debian.
Can we agree to have both UDD and lintian.debian.org, as the work to
develop the required systems already happened?
I think both websites have their benefits. Having a lintian.debian.org
site with links to man pages and addition
On Wed, Sep 04, 2024 at 08:21:04AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022)
[...]
> After providing stale data for a long time, which confused many people,
> lintian.debian.org was shutdown in September 2023.
in Debian timeframes, this is basica
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On Wed, 04 Sep 2024 06:42:33 +0200, Jonas Smegegaard wrote:
> Quoting Blair Noctis (2024-09-04 04:33:10)
(...)
>> > PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel writes:
>> >
>> >> What about dog
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going through a rough time in the process of the bottom line of business
plan and the office that you are working on myself with you and I will
also need you to do and I'm I'd be a good good and would love to have the
chanc
* Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]:
> My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan
> but I do not think that it should be installed by default, because it is
> an abstraction which adds complexity and that nobody asked for other
> than its developers.
>
> And this is an o
Hello,
> Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we shouldn't
> give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization actually
> works and is quite common, sometimes necessary.
It would be great if we could run the salsa-ci pipeline localy easily, in
chroo
On 04/09/2024 17:21, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we shouldn't
>> give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization actually
>> works and is quite common, sometimes necessary.
>
> It would be great
Hi!
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 12:39 PM PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> > Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we
> > shouldn't
> > give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization
> > actually
> > works and is quite common, sometimes ne
Hi,
On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a
> layer on top.
I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to solve.
On servers I want systemd-networkd directly anyway (for lacp, vlan and
bridges), and on end-user desktops I'
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:28:30 +0200, Daniel Baumann
wrote:
>On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote:
>> The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a
>> layer on top.
>
>I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to solve.
I am also missing that piece of information. At th
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:45 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
wrote:
>* Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]:
>> My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan
>> but I do not think that it should be installed by default, because it is
>> an abstraction which adds complexity and that no
Quoting Marc Haber (2024-09-04 15:43:15)
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:28:30 +0200, Daniel Baumann
> wrote:
> >On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> >> The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a
> >> layer on top.
> >
> >I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to sol
Hi all!
On 04.09.24 15:46, Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:45 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
wrote:
* Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]:
My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan
but I do not think that it should be installed by default, because it is
an abstrac
On Sep 04, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> With Netplan we could provide coherent network configuration across all
> variants of Debian (server, cloud, laptop, ...), while choosing the best
> underlying stack for the usecase (i.e. systemd-networkd on server/cloud
> and NetworkManager on desktop/laptop).
O
On 04.09.24 13:28, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote:
The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a
layer on top.
I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to solve.
On servers I want systemd-networkd directly anyway (for lacp, vlan and
b
On 04.09.24 17:26, Marco d'Itri wrote:
With Netplan we could provide coherent network configuration across all
variants of Debian (server, cloud, laptop, ...), while choosing the best
underlying stack for the usecase (i.e. systemd-networkd on server/cloud
and NetworkManager on desktop/laptop).
O
Hi,
so far the Debian network-manager package has been built with support
for dhclient (isc-dhcp-client).
In version 1.49.90-1 (1.50 rc1), I decided to disable support for
dhclient. This has been triggered by the following upstream change:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/Networ
Lukas Märdian writes:
> But in the end we don't want to bloat our base-installation with
> NetworkManager and systemd-networkd is not fit to cover the desktop/laptop
> usecase. So why not put some glue around it, to make it all feel coherent,
> without limiting anybody in their decision to choose
On 9/4/24 17:49, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> Netplan is for the average user who googles about "how to configure network
> on debian" and ends up with the "4 ways to configure the network"
> [4ways] or
> even more options in the Debian Reference [debref]:
so, to exaggerate on purpose, netplan is only t
On Wed Sep 4, 2024 at 8:21 AM CEST, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
[..]
> Also, I don't want to sound like I'm telling someone how to contribute
> to Debian, but it looks to me like there are more urgent issues to solve
> around lintian...
lintian's in perl and Nicolas already pointed out that he's not fam
On 2024-09-04 08:03, Lukas Märdian wrote:
Hi all!
On 04.09.24 15:46, Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:45 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
wrote:
* Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]:
My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan
but I do not think that it should be ins
On 9/4/24 18:00, Lukas Märdian wrote:
>> Of course we could. But who would actually care?
>
> That's exactly the problem!
I don't think so. I still have the impression that netplan wants to fill
a whole where in reality there's none.
In my experience networking from a systems point of view has d
sorry, one more..
On 9/4/24 18:00, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> But we ought to look at the bigger picture!
>From that point of view, it doesn't make sense to even consider netplan.
No distribution other than ubuntu is using it.
If Debian uses network-manager and systemd-networkd, there's hardly any
d
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Soren Stoutner wrote on 04/09/2024 at 08:30:39+0200:
> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 11:21:04 PM MST Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022) and it
>> was clear noone was going to adopt it, I worked on a UDD-backed
>> replacement (in July 2022, see
Hi,
Holger Levsen wrote on 04/09/2024 at 09:34:53+0200:
> On Wed, Sep 04, 2024 at 08:21:04AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022)
> [...]
>> After providing stale data for a long time, which confused many people,
>> lintian.debian.org was
Scott Kitterman wrote on 04/09/2024 at 06:23:50+0200:
> On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote:
> ...
>> While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Scott Kitterman made a
>> valid point[ru4]: "I don't think we need more process. We just need
>> someone to do the work o
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 6:22:14 PM EDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote on 04/09/2024 at 06:23:50+0200:
> > On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote:
> > ...
> >
> >> While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Scott Kitterman made a
> >> valid
Following what I wrote on removals and the discussion on DEP 18, I think
that the following would be very neat:
- Packages are on Salsa,
- moving the source repository to a special group called 'removed'
removes the package from Unstable.
- reverting the move of the source repository reverts
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