Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Martin Steigerwald writes: > Ansgar Burchardt - 15.10.18, 16:03: >> Please no. I don't think it would help Debian to have toxic people >> maintain packages. >> >> (As an example, Devuan's infobot has fun facts like this one: >> "<+infobot> 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, >

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

__ I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. El 15/10/18 a les 16:18, Thorsten Glaser ha escrit: > Several people have said they believ

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Ian, cc'ing you to make you aware of this discussion, in case you aren't, and give you an opportunity to comment on your aim to adopt sysvinit package from some time ago. KatolaZ, Ian feel free to drop Cc's again, I won't be offended :) Alessio Treglia - 16.10.18, 07:31: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Mon, 2018-10-15 at 22:31 -0700, Alessio Treglia wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 9:51 PM Enzo Nicosia > wrote: > > Please, just tell us who we should contact (current/last > > maintainer?) to start working on that. > > That's easy [1]. It is, but the link you gave is a rather cryptic way of p

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Ansgar Burchardt - 16.10.18, 08:53: > If some people consistently call others a "cancer", accuse them of > "vandalizing" open source, spread obvious FUD and so on, then I don't > think they would fit in well in Debian's culture where they would have > to accept that packages such as systemd exist.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:59:16AM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote: I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. The right way to fight spam is to

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 04:03:45PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Please no. I don't think it would help Debian to have toxic people maintain packages. At least some of the people who were at least once involved in Devuan (I haven't kept on top) were once valued Debian contributors - e.g. Roge

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:48 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:59:16AM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote: > > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses > > aren't > > masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive > > administrator > > should fix th

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Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Martin Steigerwald writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > Ian, cc'ing you to make you aware of this discussion, in case you > aren't, and give you an opportunity to comment on your aim to adopt > sysvinit package from some time ago. Thanks. That's very he

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Ansgar Burchardt writes: ... > Please no. I don't think it would help Debian to have toxic people > maintain packages. You are using a fairly blunt tool if you judge people based on their preference of operating system. ;-) Let's instead judge people by the way they behave. I admit that I hav

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:57 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Ansgar Burchardt - 16.10.18, 08:53: > > If some people consistently call others a "cancer", accuse them of > > "vandalizing" open source, spread obvious FUD and so on, then I don't > > think they would fit in well in Debian's culture wh

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Am 16.10.18 um 09:57 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: > Ansgar Burchardt - 16.10.18, 08:53: >> If some people consistently call others a "cancer", accuse them of >> "vandalizing" open source, spread obvious FUD and so on, then I don't >> think they would fit in well in Debian's culture where they would

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Ian Jackson writes: > Also we are hampered by the lack of a safe space to communicate and > coordinate. I looked at some of the technical work done in other > distros to try to make desktoppy stuff continue to work well, and it > generally seems sane. But some of those projects are quite toxic

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:38:19PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: [cut] > > What you say is obviously wrong, and you should know that if you follow > devuan. > > Even the founder of Devuan regularly uses exactly the words Ansgar > described. > Chris Lamb not to long ago was target of those conspir

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Glaser writes: > … this applies to the shim only. I was a bit surprised seeing on > someone else’s system that it was no longer installable, but almost > all systemd-free systems of people I know do not use the shim anyway, > so I’d take the Subject line with a few grains o

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

I intend this to be my last response on that topic here. So even if you choose to reply in a way that I feel hurt about, I intend to just let go and end the hurting cycle within my heart instead of replying another time. Ansgar Burchardt - 16.10.18, 12:20: > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:57 +0200, M

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

KatolaZ - 16.10.18, 13:39: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:38:19PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > [cut] > > > What you say is obviously wrong, and you should know that if you > > follow devuan. > > > > Even the founder of Devuan regularly uses exactly the words Ansgar > > described. > > Chris Lamb

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On 2018-10-16 13:27, Matthew Vernon wrote: So: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-init-diversity It's a standard mailman list with a public archive. I'm hoping people interested in init system diversity in Debian can use it as a place to co-ordinate. I don't want it to be

Re: A problem with a watch file

On 12.10.2018 04:40, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: Having said all that, and using uscan v4's substitution strings: version=4 http://www.tohoyn.fi/theme-d/theme-d-gnome.html theme-d-gnome_(\d[\d.]*)@ARCHIVE_EXT@ Now downloading the upstream package works but gpgv doesn't. I get the f

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Matthew Vernon - 16.10.18, 13:27: > Ian Jackson writes: > > Also we are hampered by the lack of a safe space to communicate and > > coordinate. I looked at some of the technical work done in other > > distros to try to make desktoppy stuff continue to work well, and it > > generally seems sane.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

KatolaZ writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > The problem that spurred this thread is that sysvinit needs a > maintainer. That's why some of us are here: our intention is to help > with maintaining sysvinit in Debian if possible, since we will keep > maintai

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Philipp Kern writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > Could someone reiterate about what the current state of init diversity > is supposed to be? Is it assumed to be best effort of every maintainer > being required to ship an init script next to the systemd u

Re: A problem with a watch file

Hi Tommi, > gpgv: Can't check signature: No public key You can find the steps to retrieve and store the key here: https://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch#Cryptographic_signature_verification Regards Fritz signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On 2018-10-16 14:36, Ian Jackson wrote: Philipp Kern writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): Could someone reiterate about what the current state of init diversity is supposed to be? Is it assumed to be best effort of every maintainer being required to ship an

Re: A problem with a watch file

Le 16/10/2018 à 14:35, Tommi Höynälänmaa a écrit : > > On 12.10.2018 04:40, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> Having said all that, and using uscan v4's substitution strings: >>    version=4 >>    http://www.tohoyn.fi/theme-d/theme-d-gnome.html >> theme-d-gnome_(\d[\d.]*)@ARCHIVE_EXT@ >> >> > > Now

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On 2018-10-16 at 08:48, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2018-10-16 14:36, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Philipp Kern writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop >> non-systemd support"): >> >>> Could someone reiterate about what the current state of init >>> diversity is supposed to be? Is it assum

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

[Benda Xu] > I was about to reply to this thread, but you have completely expressed > what I want to say: > > 1. systemd-shim is not necessary, even for DEs (except GNOME3). > 2. sysvinit-core is very stable and do not need new uploads. Thank you for expressing so well the cause of the fate for sy

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:47:36PM +0800, Benda Xu wrote: > Thorsten Glaser writes: > > … this applies to the shim only. I was a bit surprised seeing on > > someone else’s system that it was no longer installable, but almost > > all systemd-free systems of people I know do not use the shim anyway,

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > With only two modified binary packages (policykit-1 and udisks2) I’ve > 1. You need to recompile these packages, this is not something an average > user or even sysadmin knows how to do. I publish .deb packages for them (although not for all arches

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Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Petter Reinholdtsen [2018-10-16 15:55 +0200]: > [Benda Xu] > > I was about to reply to this thread, but you have completely expressed > > what I want to say: > > > > 1. systemd-shim is not necessary, even for DEs (except GNOME3). > > 2. sysvinit-core is very stable and do not need new uploads. > >

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Re: PHP Support in Debian

Hi Bernd, I can only speak to the sitaution of PHP 5.6 (in jessie) and 5.4 (in wheezy). The support for 5.6 is under the auspices of the LTS team, while the support for 5.4 is under the auspices of the Extended LTS (ELTS) team. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:06:06PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Hi,

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

[Martin Pitt] > It's not only that. The sysvinit package *itself* doesn't actually do > much really. That's not to downplay your past involvement there of > course (e. g. developing insserv alone was a huge task), but the > *real* maintenance is in all the packages that *ship* SysV init > scripts.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 14:48 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > The question is: Is > the package buggy if it does not contain an init script but a systemd > unit and it seems to be the case. Note that there are a *lot* of useful > options in a systemd unit that would need emulation to make properly >

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:54:34PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > SysV init leaves all the really hard problems to these, as it cannot > > really do much by itself. That's a fact that people that keep yelling > > "but SysV init was so easy!" keep finessing.. > > Absolutely. And the sysvini

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Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:20:24PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:54:34PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > Absolutely. And the sysvinit boot system have lots of unsolved problems > > we never got around to figuring out, related to disk and other device > > setup. Th

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:38:06PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:20:24PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:54:34PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > Absolutely. And the sysvinit boot system have lots of unsolved problems > > > we never got

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Am 16.10.18 um 21:36 schrieb Adam Borowski: > Systemd's algorithm for btrfs RAID is: So your complaint is specific to btrfs RAID which afaik is still considered unstable? -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Is this advocacy subthread really useful ? If we have bugs to report in systemd stuff we should report them in the BTS, not debate them on debian-devel. Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support"): > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:38:06PM +0200, Bastian B

Re: PHP Support in Debian

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Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Am 16.10.18 um 22:24 schrieb Ian Jackson: > Is this advocacy subthread really useful ? If we have bugs to report > in systemd stuff we should report them in the BTS, not debate them on > debian-devel. > > Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop > non-systemd support"):

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:08:59PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 16.10.18 um 21:36 schrieb Adam Borowski: > > Systemd's algorithm for btrfs RAID is: > > So your complaint is specific to btrfs RAID which afaik is still > considered unstable? Care to specify what's unstable with btrfs RAID? Any

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Michael Biebl - 16.10.18, 22:08: > Am 16.10.18 um 21:36 schrieb Adam Borowski: > > Systemd's algorithm for btrfs RAID is: > So your complaint is specific to btrfs RAID which afaik is still > considered unstable? Certain BTRFS RAID like RAID 1 and RAID 10 levels are considered stable by upstream d

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Hi Petter, (Dropping backports) Petter Reinholdtsen writes: >> 1. systemd-shim is not necessary, even for DEs (except GNOME3). >> 2. sysvinit-core is very stable and do not need new uploads. > > Thank you for expressing so well the cause of the fate for sysvinit in > Debian. It seem clear its p

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Re: PHP Support in Debian

On 2018-10-16 22:35, Rebecca N. Palmer wrote: This was recently discussed on the -backports list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2018/10/threads.html#00014 Thanks, I've missed that thread. -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de

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Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Philipp Kern writes: > I don't understand. If I submit a merge request to the maintainer, it's > on me to test what I submit actually works. So if I add stuff for a > completely different init system I have to test it. The question is: Is > the package buggy if it does not contain an init script

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