Ansgar Burchardt - 16.10.18, 08:53: > If some people consistently call others a "cancer", accuse them of > "vandalizing" open source, spread obvious FUD and so on, then I don't > think they would fit in well in Debian's culture where they would have > to accept that packages such as systemd exist.
I disagree. So far I saw none of the Devuan developers (!) I had contact with doing any of the stuff you accuse them of. I think it is important to see the difference between the comments on random people in some mailing list or IRC channel and *actual* Devuan *developers*. I am no Debian maintainer or developer in the formal sense, but I maintain two packages for Debian. In one of them, fio, I integrated an sysvinit script for running fio as a service in addition to the Systemd unit – also for improving support in Devuan that I use with my servers. As I had some issues with that I asked on Devuan's dng mailing list and got professional help from KatolaZ mentioning a fio option I was not aware of and did not think of checking for. That helped me to improve the upstream Systemd unit as well. Yes, that is right: My work on that sysvinit script actually led to an improvement of the Systemd unit. https://tracker.debian.org/news/947012/accepted-fio-35-1-source-amd64-into-unstable/ What I saw so far is that Devuan developers are actually not at all interested in drama, but in getting work done. Here a recent example for that: KatolaZ Re: [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181016.042148.1688fecb.en.html > And no, it's not just that infobot factoid or just random people that > are totally unrelated to Devuan. A claim without facts. So FUD in itself. I let go on spending energy to prove otherwise. In addition to that the infobot factiod may easily have not been from a Devuan developer or someone else related to Devuan: goli...@dyne.org - 16.10.18, 03:32: > infobot is a bot with a database that references 119770 factoids that > can be queried. Each one has it's own individual author and literally > anybody can add new factoids to the bot. It has been around for about > 20 years. It *allows* Devuan to use the bot services and would allow > Debian to do exactly same. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181016.013255.cada93dc.en.html I put the emphasis on *anybody* here. So I close with a snippet from the post of KatolaZ mentioned above: KatolaZ - 16.10.18, 06:23: > Let's try to reduce the useless chit-chat and drama to a minimum, > please (and the minimum is zero, in this case), since that's not > helpful at all, and does not build packages. I subscribed to > debian-devel as well, and will reach out later. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181016.042148.1688fecb.en.html Drama is not helpful to get anything done. KatolaZ already reached out. I suggest to continue discussion about getting work done on Debian sysvinit maintainer's list. And to end it here. Thanks, -- Martin
