On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > With only two modified binary packages (policykit-1 and udisks2) I’ve
> 1. You need to recompile these packages, this is not something an average > user or even sysadmin knows how to do. I publish .deb packages for them (although not for all arches yet). > 2. You lose basic functionality like being able to shutdown from a GUI. Oh? For me, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace+Ctrl-Alt-Del works. > > 1. systemd-shim is not necessary, even for DEs (except GNOME3). > > Alas, dependency chains say otherwise. Huh? > What almost all of those packages want is logind functionality, but I quite I don’t know about “logind functionality” and don’t care about it, I’ve never needed it, and disqualifying sysvinit because it doesn’t have it is plain wrong because there are a *lot* of use cases that don’t need it. Perhaps it’d be better if it were available. But the counter-reaction of disqualifying if it’s not available is invalid. > Other pieces are some power management that has been moved into logind, etc. Eh? The acpi command works, and sysfs writes do so, too… > > 2. sysvinit-core is very stable and do not need new uploads. > > Exactly! Almost any changes in recent years were entirely because "systemd > wants X". Thus, no wonders people are angry because of unnecessary work. Hm. I didn’t follow those changes, but if it’s that… good point. bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg
